paul wheaton wrote:
In a thread with this image:
The woman shared yet another amazing thing she did. And another woman commented that if somebody slept on that floor with a baby, then the baby would die and, therefore, the woman that was sharing would be a baby killer. The woman that was sharing saw the comment before we could delete it. She decided that she would never share again. After 500 posts, she never posted to permies again.
paul wheaton wrote:The problem: why is permaculture not currently a household word? Something that most people have heard of? Something that most people have, at least, some vague understanding of what it means?
Absolutely agree with you that the accusation is destructive and divisive. There's nothing stopping them from making their own deck. But how is permaculture tied to sexism, anyway? Is the concept anti-disabilities because there aren't a representative number of people with disabilities? Is is racist because the percentage of Asians doesn't match the general population? Maybe it's classist, ageist, feminist, etc. No. The concept of permaculture does not inherently discriminate against anyone. That it's spread mainly in a homogenous core group does not mean that others are excluded. I've noticed that most posters clearly have a higher-than-average IQ. That does not mean that permies, in particular, is discriminatory against average- (or lower-) intelligence people. It just means that we spread the word about exciting things in our lives with the people in our lives.
paul wrote: If it is true, it should be fought to the very end to end sexism in permaculture. If it is not true, then the accusation should never be made - because the accusation itself is a destructive thing.
Their loss. You're not excluding them; they're excluding themselves.
Paul wrote:I am on the road, presenting. At a dinner with eight people, including the two female regional leaders. They will not attend voices due to the lack of women.
I think this attitude is rampant -- sad to say, even here (in my opinion). Permaculture must be a place where all points of view are welcome -- not agreed upon, but able to be heard. Moderating a thread to squash those voices (and, no, I'm not talking about my apparently-not-appreciated sense of humor) rather than discuss them makes the community smaller and the whole concept more marginalized.
Paul wrote:Some regional permaculture leaders strictly believe that it is not permaculture unless you pray the way they pray, vote the way they vote and live the way they live.
Yes! Thank you, Paul. You're exactly right. Permaculture is not a political movement, a spiritual movement, or a social movement, though it can contain all or none of the above. It's about taking care of yourself through taking care of the land.
Paul wrote: I propose the philosophy (which I have pushed for years) that "there are many schools of thought under the permaculture umbrella." This allows the people who believe that permaculture includes something spiritual to continue on that path, and it allows people to practice permaculture without a spiritual path. And since there are many schools of thought rather than ONE permaculture, then each can continue on their happy path without having to condemn the other.