So I went ahead and created PERMIES Coin... Anybody want some?

Josef Theisen wrote:Voy I have sent you 10 dogecoin as a test. Please let me know that you received them ok and are able to log into your wallet without issues.

I got it, thank you.

Ok Voy, 1000 Dogecoin and 239,218 PERMIES are on the way.

Josef Theisen wrote:Ok Voy, 1000 Dogecoin and 239,218 PERMIES are on the way.

What do i do with it now:)

Well Voy, this is simply a way to experience using a simplified crypto currency without risking any real world value, so don't expect to be buying a new Porsche with PERMIES anytime soon.

But there are a few things you can do with them.

Marianne has offered to sell her native paw paw seeds for PERMIES in the post above, so there is now actually one thing you could buy with them.

You could also make new wallet addresses, and try sending some to yourself.

You could send some to another user here, or share some with a friend who has not yet experienced this.

You could learn how to make a paper wallet to store your coins securely offline, (any legit dogecoin paper wallet generator will work for this) Then learn how to import the private key into your dogeparty wallet to be able to access and spend your coins again.

You could help start a PERMIES economy by offering a good or service in exchange for them.

You could just hold on to them and hope they are actually worth something someday. (it's pretty doubtful but you never know)

If you happen to be a developer, you could create an improved wallet program or other software application that takes advantage of this new invention of decentralized trust.

I wonder, because on one hand i have like a quarter mil of permies but on the other hand it'd make no practical sense to try and establish 1 permy's value at less than 1 cent or even a dime. Nothing costs a dime these days.
It's just a game but if we're also trying to get a glimpse of permaculture friendly currency with strong emphasis on social justice than maybe we should talk about it.

Do you know if anyone in Brazil has gotten Permies already? If there's nobody around who accepts/pays with it, I'll have no use for it. Regardless, I made myself a wallet, I may well be the first around to accept it. D8v5rYtABNeiRdjd3DAccmx7hCQNNwv1gj

Voy, I'd love to discuss it but ultimately it will be the market and not us who determine what kind of value PERMIES have. I just made so many so everyone can get a bit.

Luiz, welcome to the game! I sent you 10 Dogecoin as a test. Please verify that you have received them and are understanding how to login and use the wallet and I will send the rest.

10 Doge confirmed

Luiz I have sent 1000 doge and 236,826 PERMIES. Enjoy!

Oh I like this idea. There were things we would have been willing to offer for free to permies but now we can offer them for fake money and add a fun factor to it!

I created a wallet and my address is DA1gdTByB4PkfnC4x794ocsM8bNdPBsXUC

Charles your 10 dogecoin test is on the way. Let me know that you have received them ok and can log into your wallet without issue and I will send the rest.

10 Doge Coins received!

Ok Charles,

1000 more Dogecoin and 234,458 PERMIES are on the way!

Josef Theisen wrote:Voy, I'd love to discuss it but ultimately it will be the market and not us who determine what kind of value PERMIES have. I just made so many so everyone can get a bit.

For now we are the market and we are starting from scratch, so we have all the say so in it. In accord with the principles of permaculture, Permies could be a tool that would assist the community in mutual cooperation. I'm not saying that having a quarter mill of Permies is somehow 'wrong'. To the contrary everyone should have enough. What i'm saying it would work better for the community if it was not regarded as something scarce and hard to come by.

Charles Kleff wrote:Oh I like this idea. There were things we would have been willing to offer for free to permies but now we can offer them for fake money and add a fun factor to it!

I am thinking along the same line. Why not make Permies an expression of abundance we're experiencing and a way of sharing it.

Great points Voy, I'd love to see PERMIES turn into something more than a game, but I don't think there is any clear road on how to get there. If people value them, then they will have value. I do think that a deflationary currency based on nothing is automatically superior to an inflationary currency based on debt, so we've got that going for us.

At the moment it would be a very simple matter for me to issue more PERMIES, as I have not yet locked the token. Locking the tokens is an irreversible action and will permanently set the number of PERMIES in existence. I have not done this yet, as I wanted to give the users and particularly the permie.com administrators a chance to weigh in on what is an appropriate quantity to have in circulation. I do plan to lock the tokens at some point though, as having the ability to issue currency out of thin air is a power that no human being can be trusted with, and I wouldn't expect anyone to put value into PERMIES knowing that I had such power.

For now I feel like there are plenty of tokens. I still have about 23 million to give away, and I would definitely want to see a bigger demand before considering a supply increase.

Josef Theisen wrote: I'd love to see PERMIES turn into something more than a game, but I don't think there is any clear road on how to get there.

I'm going to try and find some time to gather few items that i could 'sell' for few PERMIES and see how that goes.

Josef Theisen wrote:
At the moment it would be a very simple matter for me to issue more PERMIES, as I have not yet locked the token. Locking the tokens is an irreversible action and will permanently set the number of PERMIES in existence. I have not done this yet, as I wanted to give the users and particularly the permie.com administrators a chance to weigh in on what is an appropriate quantity to have in circulation.

It would be nice to get Paul Wheaton on board, maybe even create a separate sub-forum - sort of a market where people could list what they're willing to exchange for PERMIES.( Listing things in this or even another dedicated thread would make it hard to navigate through.) I don't know how much hustle that would be and if the experiment is deemed worthy the hustle.

Here is a website which allows you to see the distrobution of the Permies asset.

http://dogepartychain.io/asset/PERMIES

Your doing great Josef!

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Hey Zach, sorry I missed this until now. Been busy in the garden.

10 doge test has been sent, let me know that you got it ok and I will send the rest.

I'll play,

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Ok David, 10 doge test has been sent. Please let me know that you received them ok and that you can log out and back into your wallet without trouble.

Josef Theisen wrote:10 doge test has been sent.

Yup, got 'em. I can log out and back in.

It would be cool if this started to take off, anyone have some comfrey roots/starts to trade? Maybe I'll offer up a small Griswold or Wagner cast iron pan or something sometime.

ok David 232,113 PERMIES and 1000 Dogecoins are on the way!

Griswald? oohhhh, that's the big money.

Is this still going? I would like to play but I can't get in to the site to create a wallet.

Thanks,
Andrea

Hi Andrea,

Technically my offer is still valid, but there are some issues...

I also can't get into the wallet application, so I am currently unable to make good on my offer. Technically speaking, the protocol is still working perfectly. That is to say that everyone's permies coins are recorded on the dogecoin blockchain, and if you had the math and computer skill to create a transaction from scratch, you could send them. Unfortunately, the wallet application is still down, and I for one don't have the programming skills to use the protocol at that raw of a level. I am disappointed, I was hoping this would take off as far as having more developers involved and mirrored wallet applications, but as it stands there are only a few people working part time on this. Without more support and reliable tools that are always available, having a working platform is not doing the permies any good. It's like we have a bunch of Betamax tapes, but no player.

Counterparty, the bitcoin based token system that dogeparty was copied from is still going strong, and developing at a dizzying pace. At this point I don't hold much hope that dogeparty will gain enough support to catch up on all the new development that has happened in this space. I thought that the lower cost and faster transaction times would attract a lot of attention, but that has not been the case. I do hold some XCP, and could potentially recreate this experiment on this more reliable network if there is interest. I know there is already a some type of permaculture based tokens on the counterparty platform, but I really don't know much about them yet.

I do apologize to anyone who feels that this was a waste of their time. But my intent was and still is to offer the chance to learn about and experience this potentially world changing technology first hand.

I might have spoken too soon...

There is a mirror wallet site up and running at https://xdp.plddr.eu/#. Thank you Patrick Lodder! You can create a new wallet or check your old wallet there. Be advised, that if you had more than one wallet address you may need to use the create new wallet button to see your other wallets. Since this is a hierarchical deterministic wallet, it will create the same key pairs based on your 12 word passphrase every time and coins stored in additional wallets will appear when that wallet is re-created.

So Andrea, feel free to create a wallet and I will send you some Permies tokens.

Interesting project, please count me in if you are still able

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Thanks - Steve

5 years later; I'm curious how this experiment played out?

Chris Sturgeon wrote:5 years later; I'm curious how this experiment played out?

I cashed mine out to buy a barrel grinder wood chipper... i can honesty say i am now a "mulchy millionaire"

Hello,
I'm crazy about cryptocurrencies and spend a lot of time learning about BTC and Eth plus the alt-coins such as Doge coin.  I do think it has the potential for tremendous growth.  All of the posts here speak of it being 7 years ago, so I'm not sure this is still a valid thread, but I looked up my doge coin account and included it just in case you are still sending out Permies coin.  

Here's my wallet ID for doge:
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Thank you,
Lynn Norton

Wow, I forgot about this! What wallet were we using? Is it still accessible? I still have my 12 word key phrase...

Anyone still keeping track of your permies coin?

Marianne Cicala wrote:
...I have native pawpaw seeds for sale.  I have 5 lots of 20 seeds ea  They are 2014 harvest, in an organic/biodynamic environment.
Play to plant:-)

Marianne, do you still sell pawpaw seeds?  Do you have any from 2024?  Thanks!