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So I went ahead and created PERMIES Coin... Anybody want some?

 
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Yup, no problems. Not sure about the first one, hope they came back to you. I know they're relatively cheap but if they weren't and got lost it would be very annoying.

Glad to play and happy to spread the word.
 
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No the coins are lost now. Don't sweat it though, the value of 10 doge is extremely low and dogecoin has an inflationary model where approximately 5.2 billion new coins will be created every year forever. I think this is really interesting. Usually we think of inflation in terms of a percentage, which leads us to exponential growth, which is unsustainable. With dogecoin, after the initial 100 billion coins (yes they decided on that number because of Dr Evil) we will have a steady 5.2 billion a year to make up for lost coins and accommodate growth. That's 5% the first year, but a slightly smaller percentage every year after. So the Doge economy will grow, but not exponentially. Might just be the first currency to have a sustainable growth model, time will tell.

Rick, 1000 doge and 251,546 PERMIES are on the way to your new wallet. Thanks for playing.
 
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Josef thank you very much! I logged in again and checked the account, it worked!
I am setting up the osx version of the multidoge wallet now.
The permies coin will work on this wallet too, is that right?
cheers!
 
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Josef Theisen wrote: Rick, 1000 doge and 251,546 PERMIES are on the way to your new wallet. Thanks for playing.



Got it, went from 10 + 1000 and now at 1012, must be inflation! Doge permies ready to trade. ( at current market value obviously )

 
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a. mark,

Can multidoge handle PERMIES? Yes and no.

The PERMIES coins are a token created on dogeparty, which is a meta-layer on top of the dogecoin blockchain. The PERMIES transactions are recorded on the dogecoin blockchain, using any valid key pair. Multidoge can create valid key pairs, so yes. PERMIES can be send to a public address created on multidoge, and retrieved using the private key that corresponds to that address.

The problem is that the multidoge wallet is not programmed to look for anything except dogecoin. In other words, if you send PERMIES to your mutidoge wallet, they will go there, but the wallet will not see them. In order to send them from an address created on multidoge, you would need to import the private key into the dogeparty wallet, or have enough technical skill to create a transaction manually and add it to the network.

This is a very new system, so at this point the wallet found at https://wallet.dogeparty.io/# is the only one that can send PERMIES. It is open source code, so hopefully more developers will get involved and we will have more wallet options soon.


Rick, the extra two dogecoin came with the PERMIES. The wallet seems to do that for some reason, but it's coming out of the transaction fee that I paid to send you the PERMIES. FYI 2 Dogecoin is currently worth $.000378 or almost 4% of a penny.
 
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Well, I just created an account, but have been lurking for a year or so. If you want to send them anyway, then yay! Otherwise, no big deal.

Mostly mining BURST these days

My address: DQvjcQaSnWuNM7pHZJUpQCUjjDbdpW81Ef
 
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Sorry Cyra, I'm going to stick with the 30 day minimum to help prevent people from abusing the giveaway. Ask me again in October .
 
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Josef Theisen wrote:Sorry Cyra, I'm going to stick with the 30 day minimum to help prevent people from abusing the giveaway. Ask me again in October .



Sounds good! If I remember
 
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I guess you will just have to hang out on Permies everyday and participate, so you don't forget.
 
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Can someone give me some kind of idea of what I should 'charge' for sending seeds to the US?

If we're going to get permies-coin off the ground I guess we need to figure out some kind of starting value. It costs me in the region of €2 or €3 to send stuff over, and I don't consider it worth messing about with paypal for that, especially as not everyone has paypal

So what would be a good sort of equivalent in permies-coin?
 
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Wow Burra, that is really awesome that you are interested in taking this step already. Thank you for playing along!

Most currencies operate on a floating market rate. That is to say, that the value is determined by the amount of the latest transaction on an exchange. Usually this information is averaged across multiple exchanges to give us a market rate. Since PERMIES is not listed on any exchanges, we are sort of shooting blind on this one. What I can tell you, is that the first time someone actually conducts a transaction in PERMIES, is the moment that it becomes a real currency. Right now, it is really just an arbitrary set of tokens, distributed to a handful of people across the world. By offering your seeds in exchange for them, you will be effectively creating a new market and setting the market rate for them.

It is really up to you what you want to charge for your seeds. You would be a pioneer in doing this. I don't feel right throwing out a number as far as what I think they should be worth. What I can do is offer some statistics to help you understand the market better.

I have distributed PERMIES to 6 users to far in amounts ranging from 264,510 down to 251,546; for a total of 1,547,906 PERMIES out in the market so far. I am still holding 24,903,095 that I plan to distribute as long as I can find qualified users to take them. No one else will be getting over 1/4 million (unless Paul gets involved) and I plan to refrain from any economic activity until I have distributed them all.

Consider your time and effort, consider your expenses, and consider the transaction fees, then set the price where you think it should be, and adjust as needed.
 
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Joseph,

I'm a bit new here, and this feels a bit presumptuous to be asking to be part of this, but I love ideas like this and would love to help to make it work.


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Not presumptuous at all Rus, my only requirement is that you have been a member of this forum for at least 30 days.

I have sent 10 dogecoin to your address, please verify that you have received them ok and that you can log out and back in to your wallet ok, and I will then send you some PERMIES and some more doge.
 
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Ok, I'll bite.

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Ok Will, your 10 dogecoin test is on the way. Let me know when you get them and make sure you can log out and back into your wallet ok. Don't forget to write down your passphrase, if it is lost there is no way to recover it and the coins will be gone forever.
 
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No coins. Although I've gazillion checked the address I'll put it here again.
D5JCChZdhao3VZj5HzxRNamdWYtZktXYZG

I downloaded the android app, which is just a simple download and go type thing for small amounts.

I'll check tomorrow and update you.
 
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Good to go.
 
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Will, 249,030 PERMIES and another 1000 dogecoin are on the way. Enjoy!

Rus, I'm not sure why you are not seeing the 10 doge. The coins are showing up on the blockchain, you can see them using the blockchain explorer here. http://dogechain.info/address/D5JCChZdhao3VZj5HzxRNamdWYtZktXYZG Are you using the android wallet from Langer Hans? Try reloading the app maybe?

One thing though, is that while the android wallet will work fine for dogecoins, it will not be able to see dogeparty tokens, which is what PERMIES are. Currently the only wallet program capable of seeing and sending PERMIES tokens is an online deterministic wallet found at https://wallet.dogeparty.io Since it is an open source protocol, hopefully other developers will bring us other options before too long. The wallet is accessed using a passphrase made up of 12 random words. Make a new wallet there, and be sure to record your 12 words in a secure location. With those words you should be able to access your coins from any internet connected device. Send me your new address and we'll try this again.
 
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They came through. Thanks. I'm now less than one eurocent richer! Looking forward to seeing if enough people use the permies to make it a thing.
 
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Yup, I get that you're floating one currency on the other one. I'll sort that out when I've got more time, I was supposed to be working tonight!
 
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Josef Theisen wrote:Will, 249,030 PERMIES and another 1000 dogecoin are on the way. Enjoy!



Arrived. Muchas Garcias.

In the spirit of keeping this about fun and a learning experience rather than about money: Please send a small PERMIES donation to DH6akJ2UBtex4ZL5AbZdnXMYDHdbkVdXC2. Make it something unusual like 12, or 247, or 284. I don't care what you send, just not a round number. Then PM me with a message telling me how much you sent. When the transaction goes through I'll return the PERMIES to the same account they were sent from and reply to your PM with the link to a YouTube video I put together for work last year.
 
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I wanna play

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Alrighty Ill try it out, why not my wallet is DCJyZcTiwpUSmbLAhFFNqkDCRD9YKGP6XZ
 
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Awesome!

Ben and Cameron you both have 10 dogecoin incoming. Please let me know that you got them ok and can log out and back into your wallet successfully.
 
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So I opened the correct doge party wallet and transferred the 10 coins that you sent over to that.
Here is the new address

DJvqemLNB2LEVc5ya33MAYnhsoPQstjncq

thanks for your patience
 
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Ok, I sent another 10 doge to your new wallet, make sure you are able to log in ok and I will send the rest.
 
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All good Josef. The 10 coins arrived. I now have a ballance of 19.
Thanks
 
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That sounds correct. When you sent the 10 coins from your android wallet to your new one a 1 doge transaction fee was taken out.

1000 more dogecoins and 246,540 PERMIES are on the way.
 
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Hey Joseph, I purchased the name permies on counterparty back when the platform started. You seem much more able to distribute these. I can send you all the tokens if you ever get the urge to migarte to the BTC blockchain. That being said. I would love some Doge Permie tokens.
DSB7bN87LDCt9MfZJLGybqDb4goNWU5eZm ... Blessed and Best.
 
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Hi Daniel,

That is too funny, we both had the same idea, just different platforms. I have not yet tried counterparty, and to be honest I'm a bit intimidated at the thought of paying transaction fees in BTC, so I think I'll just stick with this for now and see what happens. But thank you for the offer, and let me know if there is something I can do to help if you get any big ideas.

10 doge are on the way, please verify when you receive them and I will send the PERMIES.
 
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All is well! Doge Gained! I have also been making paper wallets with Permaculture heros on them. I will attempt to show ya'll pictures soon.
 
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ok Daniel, 1000 Doge and 244,075 PERMIES are on the way!

I hadn't even thought about the fact that we can make paper wallets for the PERMIES. Great idea! Can't wait to see them.
 
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How to Secure permiescoin (or any dogeparty Asset) with an Offline Paper wallet.

“You can do anything with permiescoin that you can do with dogecoin, since an permiescoin private key is a dogecoin private key.” But when I considered this further, it occurred to me that I did not know the precise steps needed to accomplish this.

So I set out on a quest to send some permiescoin to a paper wallet and back and document the process along the way. I am sharing my process here in the hope that it will make the job easier and more comfortable for others who wish to store dogeparty assets offline in a secure paper wallet.
Step 1 - Generate a Paper Wallet

First you need to create a new paper wallet. A convenient way to do this is to use an online paper wallet generator. I used
https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/bitcoinpaperwallet/generate-wallet.html?design=alt-dogecoin


and found it easy to use. Follow the instructions there to generate a new paper wallet and print it. Note that the private key is generated entirely in your browser and it will not be shared with the server or saved. So be sure to check the printout of your paper wallet and make sure that the private key is legible. If you lose this private key, any funds stored at this address can not be recovered.


Step 2 - Transfer Your Assets

After you have your paper wallet printed, login to your dogeparty web wallet

. You can send the tokens to the dogecoin address on your paper wallet. It may feel strange to send funds to an address that has only existed in paper form, but rest assured that this address is just as valid as any other dogecoin address.

You may send multiple assets to the same paper wallet address. You may also send doge to this same address from dogepartywallet or any other dogecoin address. I recommend sending 256 doge for each asset to the paper wallet in order to make recovery easier as you will see below.

That’s it! You’re done. Your funds are now secured in your paper wallet. Keep it secret. Keep it safe.
Step 1 - Sweep the Funds

To recover the funds from your paper wallet, you use a process known as sweeping to move the funds back into a dogeparty wallet at dogepartywallet.

To recover the funds, login to your dogepartywallet and choose the option to import funds from another address.

Importing funds from another address at dogepartywallet

Next you will enter the private key from your paper wallet. This key should be 52 characters long. Dogeparty will verify that the key you entered is a valid private key before you can continue.

You may sweep funds into an empty address or to an existing address that already has tokens.

You can sweep one or all of the dogeparty tokens and dogecoin balances from your paper wallet. Note that for each token you sweep a new dogeparty transaction will be broadcast to the dogecoin network and you will need to pay the normal transaction fees.

The transaction fees will be paid from the address in your paper wallet. If you sent only dogeparty assets without any doge to the paper wallet, you will have to do one of two things. You can send a small amount of dogecoin to the paper wallet address and wait 6 confirmations. Or you can enter the private key of any dogecoin address immediately to pay the fees from this address.

You will need about 256 doge in your paper wallet for each asset that you plan to sweep and an additional 1 doge if you wish to sweep any doge.
Step 2 - Wait for Your Funds to Arrive

Just as with any dogeparty transaction, your tokens will need one confirmation from the doge network before they are visible in your dogepartywallet address.

Since dogeparty is built on dogecoin, we get to take advantage of dogecoin features for working with our dogeparty assets. And one of those features is the ability to store funds in an offline paper that is resistant to digital theft or hardware failure.

Any process for offline storage that allows a user access to a dogecoin address and a dogecoin private key can also be used to store dogeparty assets as well. So as new techniques and hardware become available for secure dogecoin storage, we will be able to use those tools for securely storing permiescoin and other dogeparty assets.

So, as a long answer to your short question, dear forum poster, I now say with experience “Yes! You can use an offline paper wallet to store your permiescoin.”
 
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Hi Josef - I'd love to play. DAMjUypCXbyPrTada1NmTfHdVqo8Ep45jM.
thanks!
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Ok Marianne, I have sent 10 dogecoin to your address as a test. Please verify that you have received them ok and that you can log out and back into your dogeparty wallet and I will send the rest.
 
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thanks Josef!! verified et al.
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Ok Marianne, 1000 Dogecoin and 241,634 PERMIES are on the way.
 
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OK it looks there may be plenty of folks here and since we all have loads of coins, it seems the only way to establish a value (vs normal currency) is to begin selling things. Hopefully, as items are bartered for permies coins, some sense of trade/value should establish itself over time if enough stuff get passed along.

Here goes:
I have native pawpaw seeds for sale. I have 5 lots of 20 seeds ea They are 2014 harvest, in an organic/biodynamic environment.

I will sell them (1 lot only per person) for 25,000 permie coins. They will come with propagation instructions (they like cold winters)in a padded envelope. This includes USPS shipping in the USA.
If you need them to be ship outside of the USA, the cost is 30,000 coins to help cover postage.
Josef, because you are so cool - should you want any, your cost will only be 5,000 coins.

Please p.m. me with your address and make a notation on this thread so that we all know when the 5 lots are sold.

permies may be transfered to my account: DAMjUypCXbyPrTada1NmTfHdVqo8Ep45jM

Play to plant:-)
 
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Maybe if i play with it i'll get how it works:)

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Voy I have sent you 10 dogecoin as a test. Please let me know that you received them ok and are able to log into your wallet without issues.
 
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