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Jeanine Gurley Jacildone
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I would like to purchase breadseed poppy within the next month or so.

There are plenty available from seed companies but I'm posting the request here first in hopes of supporting someone in the Permies group.

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Joseph Lofthouse included a packet with my seed purchase last year.  I'd give him a PM to see if he can sell you some.

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I don't sell breadseed poppy seeds. I only give them away as gifts. If you are in the usa, send me one  first class postage stamp, and I'll get some on the way to you.



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Jeanine Gurley Jacildone
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Thank you! I will message you for an address to send the stamp to.  

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Jeanine Gurley Jacildone wrote:Thank you!



You are welcome. That's a general offer to anyone in the usa reading the permies forums.

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Angelika Maier
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They are beautiful! Aren't they papaver somniferum? I would like to grow that but I'm not sure weather it's aloowed in Aus.

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Angelika Maier wrote:I would like to grow that but I'm not sure weather it's aloowed in Aus.



I bet that they are sold in your local grocery store...

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Here's what I believe, if it's not so, I'm about to learn something new.😊

The poppy seeds sold bulk in grocery stores are the bread seed poppy which is Papaver somniferum .   Possibly the seed has been irradiated to make it not viable because Papaver somniferum is pretty scary after all 😉 ...   but if you buy organic poppyseed I don't think it's been irradiated so it should be viable .

That's what I'm counting on if I ever live in a climate where growing annual poppies is fairly easy.

I think they grow it as a commercial crop in Tasmania (supplying the world's pharmaceutical industries)   I don't know if that answers  the question of legality in Australia.

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I have grown papaver somniferum as an annual. They seem to do better if planted as a biennial. I bet they'd love Colorado.

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Alkaline soil and aridity, Joseph?  I know you are not far away so I trust your insight and experience.  Where I get stuck is the spring.. seldom is it an extended period of slowly increasing heat, and a fair amount of soil moisture.

Maybe it is a matter of how developed the soil is.  I've never had the privilege of well developed soil.

In the Mediterranean climate wher I grew up, poppies were planted- seeded in the fall and bloomed in the spring.  

I'd appreciate any help you can provide.  It is the same impass I have with fava beans😊.  For now I have no ground, no garden, am a guest here and there while I search... so for now I can't do any experimenting.

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My soil is alkaline-ish, and it's arid (and irrigated) during the summer. But I'm planting the poppies either in the fall, so that they get rained/snowed on all winter, or as soon as the snow melts in the spring, so they get rained on during March, April, and May. Then I start irrigating. But some flower even without irrigation. The seeds germinate better if I stomp the heck out of the bed where I plant them. Want to give the seeds as much contact with the soil as possible. I planted poppies a few days ago.

If only fava beans😊 were as easy for me to grow as poppies!!! I have to put the favas in the ground the day the winter snowcover melts, or else plant out 3 week old plants at that time...


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Thanks Joseph .   I'll get some of those organic grocery store seeds and have them in the ground by the end of the week, what fun.

I have two places to experiment to Grand Junction area and a place with silty soil at 7900 feet,  oh and a couple more gardens one at 6000 probably silty and one and 8200

I'd love to have them naturalize do you think that's possible ?   Have they naturalized at your place, or do they ever reseed them selves at your place?

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At my place, breadseed poppies reseed themselves in the field. They die easily as young plants, so haven't become a weed problem. They haven't migrated to the wild-lands surrounding the field, but the place they grow in the field is hundreds of feet from any wild place that they might reasonably be expected to successfully colonize. I haven't tried planting them in the badlands.

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Hi Joseph do those bread seed poppies germinate in disturb soil?

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If it is irridated it is mandatory even for organic ones. I have to google and I like poppy cake and pastry.

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Thekla McDaniels wrote: Hi Joseph do those bread seed poppies germinate in disturb soil?



The breadseed poppy seeds fall on the ground in my field. I till the field in the fall. I till the field again in the spring. I plant other crops. Breadseed poppies volunteer.

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Got it, disturbed soil thanks very much.

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Oh my goodness, those are so lovely -- I wanted poppies for along the front of the house but couldn't find commercial seed, at least not that germinated well. We had perennial poppies in Great Falls that bloomed like crazy plants all summer despite total neglect (and had roots like old carrots), and there are some in Bozeman too. I must remember to get some of your seed! thanks!

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How viable are the seeds if you scrape them off a loaf of bread?

I know that they have been cooked in an oven.

The only reason I ask is because my old landlord told me that he had poppies growing in the back garden where I used to feed the birds (with poppy seed bread). He never mentioned sesame plants growing. He did like the poppies but wanted to know if he was going to get a visit from the police.
 
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I'm not thinking poppy seeds would survive baking in an oven, but interested in what others might know about it.

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Sometimes, I see breads which are frosted, and then poppy seeds are scattered on top of the frosting. I would expect those poppy seeds to be viable.

I don't have any reason to believe that poppy seeds sold in stores are dead. It would be easy enough to test. Just plant some and see what comes up.

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To follow up on this thread, I bought some McCormick Poppy seed from the spice aisle and planted it. Nothing came up. Planted a lot of it. Still nothing came up. My poppy seeds planted the same day germinated well. So it appears that for at least that one lot number from one company, the seed in the store was dead. Anyone else have different results for different brands?

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A good selection available from the poppy lady but a little pricey. However if you save seed it's a one time purchase.

https://www.onestoppoppyshoppe.com/papaver-somniferum-seeds

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Here we can just buy them from the garden center, back in the UK my mother had them in the garden, once they were planted they came back themselves year after year, I loved going and finding the dry heads as a kid and shaking all the seed out. We grew them on very alkaline soil.
 
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Hey i have some that i have been breeding. They started with 2 heads 3 max now they from my style of crosspolinatimng have 5 to 8 heads on a single plant. I am from canada and they are easy to grow plus they are the otjer gift that keeps giving.






 
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I had some tiny poppies come up from a couple old pollinator type seed packs I was so excited! Saw a couple blooms then I guess a gopher sucked them down like spaghetti

Etsy also have sources of poppy seeds if any one is still looking.
 
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