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I don't buy nuts that have been processed. I collect them or buy from others that do. I'm talking mom-pop stand at our weekly market here. Not a nut company.pebble wrote:
Another example would be looking at the amount of labour in processing walnuts and pecans, and how that fits into the plan. If we're looking at a powerdown future, then low tech processing of nuts is fairly labour intensive.
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pebble wrote:
Another example would be looking at the amount of labour in processing walnuts and pecans, and how that fits into the plan. If we're looking at a powerdown future, then low tech processing of nuts is fairly labour intensive.
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pebble wrote:
Some of the issues that have some up:
- quantities of food from quantity of land.
- the need for variety to increase nutrient value
- how to decide on optimal ratios of protein, fat, carbohydrate, minerals and vitamins, etc
- getting enough calories
- most efficient ways of producing nutrients
- that permie systems probably produce more nutrient dense food than we are currently used to commerically
- geography and climate influence nutritional needs as well as providing limits to design.
* Acreage Yield
Few average examples to compare: apple and pear trees give 35,000 lbs per acre a year; strawberries: 45,500; pineapple: 30-60,000; oranges: 30-40,000, papaya: 28,000; sweet cherries: 14,000; grapes: 9,000; blueberries: 8,000; corn - 8,000 (can be used to produce plastic, diapers and packing material); rice: 7,000 pounds per acre; wheat: 4,000; peanuts and almonds: 3,000; soybeans: 2,000 (used also for ink and paint), sunflower - 1,500, chestnut and pecan trees give 1,000-2,000; cotton - 500 pounds per acre (for cloths and paper).
Some non-fruit cultures are very efficient too: potatoes 36-60,000 pounds per acre, lettuce: 24,000. We have discussed with friends how it could be possible to make potatoes least destructive food (this is a many years living plant, its fruit are toxic, but its edible tubers contain its seeds), but we agreed that we have not enough knowledge about it. But potatoes could be a reasonable addition to fruitarian diet in a context of the common good.
Compare this to red meat (edible carcass weight) - 48 lbs per acre (TX), some others - more than 100.
I read that orchards of centenarian trees can yield more than 450,000 pounds of fruit per acre a year, but I have not found the primal source of this data.
Calories per acre efficiency of fruit trees
An example from a real farmer Walter:
Wheat can produce 3-4 million calories per acre and potatoes can produce 6-8 million calories per acre. ... I got 288 pounds of fruit off the first tree and my orchard is on a grid of 200 trees per acre. That means this tree produced the equivalent of 57,600 pounds per acre. At 236 calories per pound for raw apples, this equals 13,593,600 calories per acre for an apple tree producing less than 300 pounds per tree. This is 3.4 times the calorie production for wheat and 1.7 times the value of potatoes (using 4 million calories per acre for wheat and 8 million for potatoes - the upper end of the spread). ... Now let's consider commercial apple production. ... At half a bin, or 500 pounds per tree and with 200 trees per acre, the calorie value of commercial apple production jumps to 100,000 pounds per acre, or 23.6 million calories per acre. This is nearly 3 times the calorie yield of the most optimistic calorie value for potatoes and almost 6 times the most optimistic calorie value for wheat! ... Planting trees is an investment in the future and it takes 4-5 years for production to come on, but once the apples start producing, the amount of high-quality food produced is astonishing. Apples do take some management, but the labor costs are quite low compared to vegetables. If there is a perfect food, from both a farming and a consumer perspective, it is an apple.
Now, for something beyond veganism, how about fruitarianism?
I notice when reading about permaculture there is a large focus on plants that produce fruit. Also vegetables.
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