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Gurkan Yeniceri wrote:Show them the organic examples around.
Show them what you do. Take them to a tour in your land and explain them the relationships between soil microorganisms, grass growing on top and the animals grazing etc.
Tell them they can get organic certification down the line.
Draw them a roadmap based on what they wanted to do, according to permaculture principles.
Introduce them to the forum here.
Buy them a gift book Building a Better World in Your Backyard :-)
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Meg Mitchell wrote:Does your neighbor already know that they're legally liable for any pesticide drift/fire drift and that they'd be the only ones in the neighborhood using pesticides and fire to manage their land? From their perspective this seems like a good way to go broke and make a lot of enemies out of one's neighbors. If everyone else around is organic, I can't imagine you're the only one who would be upset by this.
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elle sagenev wrote:
Meg Mitchell wrote:Does your neighbor already know that they're legally liable for any pesticide drift/fire drift and that they'd be the only ones in the neighborhood using pesticides and fire to manage their land? From their perspective this seems like a good way to go broke and make a lot of enemies out of one's neighbors. If everyone else around is organic, I can't imagine you're the only one who would be upset by this.
That's great and all but if my sainfoin field is dead that won't help me at all! I'll keep directing them away from the poison use but I don't know how much direction these people will be willing to take from me.
'Theoretically this level of creeping Orwellian dynamics should ramp up our awareness, but what happens instead is that each alert becomes less and less effective because we're incredibly stupid.' - Jerry Holkins
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
List of Bryant RedHawk's Epic Soil Series Threads We love visitors, that's why we live in a secluded cabin deep in the woods. "Buzzard's Roost (Asnikiye Heca) Farm." Promoting permaculture to save our planet.
It's never too late to start! I retired to homestead on the slopes of Mauna Loa, an active volcano. I relate snippets of my endeavor on my blog : www.kaufarmer.blogspot.com
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Bryant RedHawk wrote:Elle, it sounds to me like the time is right for a BBQ get together evening.
New Neighbors are more receptive to ideas that are discussed over food and wine (or other beverages) in a "get to know you" setting.
Don't be afraid (during this meet and greet) to put forth your plans for your property, let them ask their questions (unless they are just jerks, they will have some once you start talking about restoring land through mimicking nature's methods).
Do not act threatening (mentioning law suits is a good way to make sure you will have to take that direction), just concerned and do bring up how much money those poisons cost and how little real effect they have since that will kill the very soil they are wanting to build.
Only as a last resort, should you be forced to bring up the current human, plant and animal problems with Glyphosate (roundup) and that Monsanto is currently involved in lots of law suits over the cancers it is causing those who have used it, the animal baby issues and the persistence in the soil affecting anything planted in previously sprayed soils that aren't "roundup ready varieties".
At that point you can even bring up Dicambia since it has been banned by many countries and states here in the US, other states are putting it through testing. This one has a huge "drift" factor and we don't currently know how carcinogenic it is (it took 20 years to find out that Glyphosate was a carcinogen).
You could even bring up The federal banning of many of the older herbicides and pesticides because they were killing off the Bald Eagle population (DDT) and the California Condor (DDT)
Give them this link Banned pesticides list USA
Bring up that pesticides and herbicides are a huge part of the problem our pollinators are facing today and they are mostly why bees are disappearing and dying.
Refer them to this site and especially to my soil series as good reading material to help them in their endeavor of pasture remediation.
Redhawk
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elle sagenev wrote:
My fear is that they are moving from their current state to ours because of "those people". I'm very afraid that much talk about nature, organics, permaculture, etc. will quickly get me labeled as one of "those people".
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Tyler Ludens wrote:
elle sagenev wrote:
My fear is that they are moving from their current state to ours because of "those people". I'm very afraid that much talk about nature, organics, permaculture, etc. will quickly get me labeled as one of "those people".
Maybe they will learn that "those people" are everywhere and they maybe should join them so they don't have to keep running away....
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elle sagenev wrote:I'm not super normal for my area though.
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