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I have two indoor kitties. They must both remain inside kitties. For health trouble.

Boy, Wendel. He has a healed maybe injury to spine cord from other cat, now outside. Was walking with stiff legs, like Tennessee walkin horse. He now scaredycat. If sent outside, he die. He eat ground tumeric three times week now for maybe swelling. Much better now. Play again. Purr too. When stop tumeric, he do walkin horse thing again. He eat it again, now on.

Girl, Shadow. She pregnant three times. First two times still births, take days and days with tails come out first. We can not get her fixed. Only know separate them when she goes in heat. Only know she in heat when show presentation behavior. Can't be outside for neibor cats want her. More dead kitties. Last time also one still birth with nose first. It is hard on her. Was very sick. Kitties move inside Shadow a day before labor start. What do?

If miss next heat time too, how make birth faster, safer? Blue cohosh? How much. Other thing?
 
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Hi J, welcome to Permies!

Sorry to hear about your kitty troubles. I have a couple questions. What are the cats eating, and are Wendel and Shadow related?
 
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Why can't she be fixed? If monetary there are many low cost spay and neuter programs nationwide. Neuter is often cheaper since it's less invasive. If medical reasons for not spaying maybe fix the boy via one of these programs?
 
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What are the cats eating, and are Wendel and Shadow related?





Brother and sister, same batch of kitties. First time had one kitty from not related dad, maybe part bobcat. Very big dad, one very big baby cat. Thought this was the trouble with Shadow. He hurt Wendel in play. After this and big baby, he go outside. Shadow too is very small. Wendel normal cat size.

Eat meow mix, original flavor only. For tummy stay normal.

  Why can't she be fixed?





All money for people care. No program local.
 
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I would suggest that you visit the local humane societies in your area.....if you are living in a country that has them. Often in economically depressed areas, there is money to spay a cat in your circumstances. If you tell us where you are located, I might be able to contact a group in your area to do the spaying for free or for extremely cheap.
 
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J Hardy wrote:
 

Brother and sister, same batch of kitties.

Eat meow mix, original flavor only. For tummy stay normal.



The close relation and inbreeding is the most likely reason for the stillbirths.

My second guess for stillbirths was nutritional deficiency of some sort. A different food would help in this area.

For spaying, spaytennessee.org may be an avenue to look into for finding affordable or even free spay/neuter services. Sometimes free clinics pop up and will do the procedure if pet owners just show up. A former neighbor (here in Tennessee) had his cats spayed this way and it didn't cost him a dime. I am unsure how to locate or find out when these clinics happen. Here's a link to spaytennessee. http://www.spaytennessee.org/services.html

Good luck and I hope this helps!!
 
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As already mentioned, if you can post a general area of the world you are in, we might be able to help you find resources to get one or both fixed. (You don't need to post an exact location, but country and town help to isolate the help available) If they are fixed, they will also likely live longer and have less health issues. http://www.vetstreet.com/dr-marty-becker/what-life-is-like-with-a-cat-who-isnt-fixed
 
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There are also organizations that run pop-up spay/neuter clinics, sometimes in very remote places where vet care is unavailable or unaffordable.

It is possible even if there is definitely no program or organization where you live, that you might be able to get one or both cats fixed through such a clinic. As with the other options, location might help people seek options for you..
 
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Shadow in heat again. They are separated. They seen mate once.

Please help with speedy labor tricks? Don't want to abort kitties. Just speed birthing when labor starts, if pregnant. Hope for live kitties. She only 4 pounds, mention for dosage help?
 
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I can't help with quickening labor, but please take a look at https://www.spaytennessee.org/ as soon as she has given birth. Spaying & neutering extends the life of pets, and eliminates unwanted pets, there are so many in shelters already needing good homes. Best of luck that the birthing goes well this time.
 
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Thankyou suggesting spay. I know it would prevent the pregnancy. Not option.

Does anyone know where I can go to ask question?

For people I find cotton root can help speed labor to come. Maybe speed actual labor?

Cat Shadow not pregnant yet. Good.

 
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Neutering is much cheaper than spaying, if that helps...
 
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J Hardy wrote:Thankyou suggesting spay. I know it would prevent the pregnancy. Not option.



Why is this not an option? There are many resources to help get cats spayed and neutered for free. If you need help finding a free option for spaying you can always send me a mooseage or post the city/town you are in.
 
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Four pounds is a small kitty, I don't know what dosing would be right for that little of a cat. I wish I knew more about herbs and cats, I would be interested to know too, as I am a cat person.

I'll be watching to see if you get answers, as I'd like to know also.

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In Dr. Tilgner's Herbal Medicine book, there's a section on dosages. I have NO IDEA if this applies to cats, but she mentions "Clarks Rule" for human children. It's the child's weight in pounds divided by the adult weight (150 pounds). Then used that and multiply the answer by your formula.

So, maybe do 4 pounds divided by 10. That's .40, right? Then times that by the amount you'd give to a normal female kitty in labor?
 
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That's a tough situation.

I don't know of herbs to speed labor, but I know that stress can slow labor. So providing a space where Shadow feels safe and secure may help labor progress normally. For example, a cardboard box on it's side or under a table with sheets for walls and lots of soft blankets or towels inside. Move her food and water close by, also her litter box. Keep it dark and quiet; try to use a small light when checking on her.


Edit: Pic from this blog: https://lottothecat.com/lotto-gives-birth/


Good luck!

 
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Found answer.

Spaying is the best solution, but you know that.

Local shelters often have programs for reduced-price/free spays for folks that can't afford it.

Feed her kitten food while she's pregnant. Her poor uterine contraction could be a mineral deficiency.

Black cohosh and cotton root bark are both good for opening the cervix and promoting labor.

A cat would get bout .1 to .2 cc tincture in the very back of the mouth.



From Doc Jones forum.

Ask for frequency, will post again when know.

Good news, isolation working so far.

 
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