What kind of pine is this?

Hi, I bought a plot of land with two pines and I would like to identify the species of the pines, if you can help me, I would be very grateful

Follow some pictures of the pine tree

The pine has a circumference of 220 cm and a height of 35/38 meters

I think this is originally from Germany, because it is in a city in there south of Brazil founded by German immigrants.

Can you get a close up of the branches and the needles? Also, do you know if the needles stick together in bunches? How many needles per bunch?

Howdy,

I don't think it is pine species. All pines grow needles in bundles, 2 or more.

I am guessing trees are more closely related to Hemlock, short, flat, single needles and small cones. Eastern Hemlock, native to eastern USA, is also in europe.

My tree experience is mostly with north american species, but as an example, Monkey Puzzle Trees are a forest evergreen tree from South America, and are here in North America planted as ornamental. They do quite well.

I'll get it for you when I go there again in a few days, thanks

Malek Ascha wrote:Can you get a close up of the branches and the needles? Also, do you know if the needles stick together in bunches? How many needles per bunch?

Thanks, Randal.

I guess you are right, it is almost a Eastern Hemlock, but it has a few differences, the needles are more pointy, the cone is almost the same, a little difference, the "wing?" Are more pointy too.

I'll search more about Hemlock's and see if I find it.

Thanks

randal cranor wrote:Howdy,

I don't think it is pine species. All pines grow needles in bundles, 2 or more.

I am guessing trees are more closely related to Hemlock, short, flat, single needles and small cones. Eastern Hemlock, native to eastern USA, is also in europe.

My tree experience is mostly with north american species, but as an example, Monkey Puzzle Trees are a forest evergreen tree from South America, and are here in North America planted as ornamental. They do quite well.

the hemlocks i know just have needles on either side of the twig, kind of like a feather. the needle distribution on this tree is more like a spruce or fir...but i agree that the cones seem more like hemlock. are there any bigger, more fully formed cones anywhere on the trees (or beneath them)? the cones pictured are ona dead twig with dead needles, which suggests to me that the cones were immature when the twig/branch came free.

Hi, Greg.

I'll never saw a good cone from this tree, it is too all to see, just on the floor, but I'll try to get a good picture next week.

greg mosser wrote:the hemlocks i know just have needles on either side of the twig, kind of like a feather. the needle distribution on this tree is more like a spruce or fir...but i agree that the cones seem more like hemlock. are there any bigger, more fully formed cones anywhere on the trees (or beneath them)? the cones pictured are ona dead twig with dead needles, which suggests to me that the cones were immature when the twig/branch came free.

The cones look like Cunninghamia cones, the foliage looks similar, yet slightly different, than Cunninghamia grown in North America, but it could be that the Cunninghamia introduced into Brazil came from a different population in China that slightly different than the population initially introduced into North America.

Hi, Mike.

Maybe you are right, I found it very similar, but I need to check more details because a some things don't match.

But, I found some ads selling Cunninghamia lanceolate as "German Pine", it is a German colony in Brazil, so, maybe it is the species of this tree.

Thanks

Mike Turner wrote:The cones look like Cunninghamia cones, the foliage looks similar, yet slightly different, than Cunninghamia grown in North America, but it could be that the Cunninghamia introduced into Brazil came from a different population in China that slightly different than the population initially introduced into North America.

Mike Turner wrote:it could be that the Cunninghamia introduced into Brazil came from a different population in China that slightly different than the population initially introduced into North America.

I think that is the most likely. There is some information here that might be helpful specifically about the differences in foliage and cone size between C konishi and C launceolate. I'd post it here but it's not in English-- have a look and see if it's helpful. Scroll down to "As Coníferas Ibero-Americanas, Cunninghamia lanceolata (Pinheiro Chinês)"
http://www.celso-foelkel.com.br/pinus_26.html

Jonatan Rafael wrote:Hi, Mike.

Maybe you are right, I found it very similar, but I need to check more details because a some things don't match.

But, I found some ads selling Cunninghamia lanceolate as "German Pine", it is a German colony in Brazil, so, maybe it is the species of this tree.

Thanks

Mike Turner wrote:The cones look like Cunninghamia cones, the foliage looks similar, yet slightly different, than Cunninghamia grown in North America, but it could be that the Cunninghamia introduced into Brazil came from a different population in China that slightly different than the population initially introduced into North America.

This does look promising.

I'm not sure if this should be its own separate post or not, since it's already about evergreen trees and I have a similar problem.

I was given this pine sapling as a gift, and the giftor simply said that it was a Japanese pine. I haven't been able to find anything online that looks like it, and in all likelihood it's not a pine but a spruce as the needles come directly out of the branch and not in clusters. Do any of you smart people know what this is?

Sciadopitys verticillata  (Japanese umbrella pine)

howdy,


https://conifersociety.org/conifers/sciadopitys-verticillata/

Thank you, Mike & Randall! Know I know where to plant it.

Parana Pine (Araucaria angustifolia)

Not actually a pine but is endangered species