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i might use alum tape on the gaps for the test. but that will be later cuz i got "called in" to work
 
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its coming - im done work and the oven is hot. i will document it
 
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Well I think it was partially frozen inside, because it took 35 mins, and the box said 15-20 mins. But it was steaming hot in the center and no burns anywhere. It was perfectly done, although I cooked it from partially thawed and cooked it almost double the reccommended time

I made a few short videos, but I likely won't get to upload them until tomorrow or something
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steaming hot in the middle, but I can
 
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i love apple pie. too bad it didnt brown a bit. what was the operating dutch over temp?
 
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The box said "bake at 300" and it stayed right around 300. It was good. I'm glad I didn't try a pizza, because they require closer to 400F, I think. But my BBQ lid is just a hair too big I think. If I sealed it up better and/or had a smaller lid, I might be able to get 350-400F for baking other stuff. I think with the right amount of patience, you could cook a lot of stuff on 300 , but I bet I could get higher temps with pellets, or slightly smaller oven. I might build one a bit smaller than this BBQ lid. My rocket stove has a list of different attachments now lol. 2 different cook tops, 2 different pellet burners, 3 liners, and 2 dutch ovens if you count my old coleman fold-up camp-oven.

I'm learning stuff, and that was a delicious experiment lol
 
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and you didnt even save a piece for me? i bet that pie was expensive, i dont blame ya i heard in the news canada economy is collapsing and grocery prices are going through the roof? is that true?
 
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Well a lot of stuff is imported, like bananas, fruits, produce, and the low dollar is true, so they want to up our prices, to compensate for the foreign suppliers. So yeah its kinda true.
 
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NEW ROCKET APPLE PIE VIDEOS are live guys ! they are short but sweet

here's the links

Rocket Stove Episode 7 : Rocket Baked Apple Pie


Rocket Stove 7.1 Apple Pie Rocket Oven Experiment Results


The pie was delicious and steaming hot. i will consider that a successful experiment !
 
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I found the pie box and I re-read the directions. Originally I read bake at 300F for 15-20 mins. That was apparently the "pre-baked" instructions. The "raw/frozen" directions were 350 for 55 mins, which I just learned today.

So for a partially thawed pied, in a sub-zero un-heated barn/shop, cooking for about 35-40 mins at 300F, not bad when you account the actual proper directions lol.

I believe indoors, where the stove is not subjected to sub zero external tepmeratures, and with a better fitting/sealed oven-lid, this thing could reach 350-400F easily. Perfect for cooking.

Any input or opinions on my dutch oven BBQ lid experiment?
 
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It looks like a fine setup when you have a cooktop as big as the lid. Good for totally flexible usage.
 
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Yes the experiment worked good, but I would consider my "cook top" to be small, much smaller than someone with a 55 gallon drum. A 55 gallon drum has about 22" of diameter for a cook top. My stove only has about 14" diameter cook top. Truthfully I think it would work best on a 55 gallon drum, becuase of the size of the BBQ lid, and the size of my stove top. I used my thin round lid for the pie experiment, and the BBQ lid was almost too big. So my cook top could be bigger, and this idea would work best on a bigger cook-top, something I rather wish I had. But my loss is your gain, because you guys can learn from this and bake a pie on your 55 gal drums lol
 
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Jan 2016 , I have the bbq barrel top oven idea put into place, and I test it by baking an apple pie on top of my stove outside in sub zero temperatures.

Fab 2016 gamera rocket heaters (whom I've shared before) shares this today on Valentine's Day, 3 weeks after my idea, and over one month after I published the idea

Seems like an idea I did a while back, which is fine with me, but mine has a temperature gauge and mine has a layer of aero foil aluminum insulation stuff inside
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Maybe I should have gotten a patent on my idea or whatever thy call it lol.

And they would still need a grille like I have shown in my YouTube video, otherwise the food would burn on bottom and not cook evenly...
 
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new youtube videos are going live tonight.

these ones should be live/public now

rocket stove episode 8: inspection after 50+ hrs of burn tests


rocket stove episode 9: emergency survival scenario
https://youtu.be/e48QXwupiA4


 
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i didnt post the best results like i wanted to do, due to my new 3min limit on videos, but i ended up with 120F in the mass area and 560+ on the cook top at the peak of the 4.5 hour twig test burn. not bad for emergency twigs!

rocket stove episode 10! emergency heat from twigs scenario results
 
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WHO LIKES PIZZA?!?!

ME!! AND my 100 Lb dog!

My Rocket-Stove series episodes 11 and 12 are now live for the public

the pizza was amazing for a cheap freezer-burnt frozen pizza. cooked perfectly and that's what matters.
i've also baked an apple pie in my dutch-oven previously and that is also on MY YOUTUBE @ https://www.youtube.com/user/MrJohn613

Rocket Stove episode 11 PIZZA!


Rocket stove episode 12 PIZZA PERFECTION!


I PROMISE IM LEARNING MY NEW CAMERA AND THE NEXT VIDEOS WILL BE BACK TO REGULAR HiDef in landscape.

im dying for some input here guys.... what do you all think?
 
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great looking pizza, making me hungry.

hey buddy did you see my upgrade lid that doubles my wood loading capacity and burn time?
 
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Yes I saw that. How's it workin for ya? It would be cool if it had a glass window in the top. It's funny because you and I were discussing what you called "oversized feed tube with lid" on my thread and I called it a vertical batch box concept idea. And I saw on your thread that someone else called it the same thing a few days later and I think he said someone else is also working on the concept, but when people mention it several days after you do, it's hard to tell how long anyone's been working on the concept. But yes I saw the extension. It was funny when you said she is pretty and don't talk about her or she will eat you lol. I was laughing as I was reading the thread
 
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i could care less if others are working on a design like it. i dont want any credit for what i have done except the smiles from my warm family. If i have inspired anyone or helped them in any way then great, my experience is here to share with the world.

vertical batch is an interesting name but not sure it fits? the best way i can see it explained is call it what it is... an over sized feed chamber with an air tight lid... but it must have a bottom access port in order for this concept to work.

i do want to say my system does not burn like a batch box in any way that i have seen other proper made batch boxes burn. batch boxes usually start out at the back bottom and then work up to engulfing the whole batch and my system burns at the bottom mostly and can be coached to burn the way you want it to or let it run its course how it feels like burning which i have explained a few times on my thread. My unit is the best operating rocket stove system i have seen and i have watched hundreds if not thousands of videos from the smallest to the largest and i am well pleased with how this operates.

here ya go bro... protect that steel, just paint the inside of your system with this and your problem is solved:


kinda like painting hair on a bald spot... it really is only for looks. im glad ya had a good laugh.
 
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Guys, i've been using using "vertical batch" for few months for a ported system that Indipendentenergy and i are trying to develop over at Donkeys.

What do you think about a "magazine J" or "magazine rocket" As this is prety much how it works.

 
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Satamax Antone wrote:Guys, i've been using using "vertical batch" for few months for a ported system that Indipendentenergy and i are trying to develop over at Donkeys.

What do you think about a "magazine J" or "magazine rocket" As this is prety much how it works.



EXACTLY my permies brother! a "Magazine Rocket" is more what i have and if that is what people working on, then that is the name that describes this set up best!

In all seriousness I like "Rocket Mag" and that is what I will call it. Satmax thank you for your help. From now on I will call it the Rocket Mag! or the Rocket Mag Heater. Rocket Mag stove is also acceptable.

semi automatic of course.
 
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yeah i thought about exhaust paint but i want something that is OK for indoors eventually. no fumes or whatever. the steel definately needs a coat of of something soon. but ive been busy designing the next new "portable/shippable" unit and its too cold here for painting here currently. soon i will paint this one tho- chevy orange?

 
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Well boyz, I found a new excuse to make a new test and a new video for my YouTube compact RMH hybrid series.

It's maple syrup season in Ontario and I've located and tapped a sugar maple tree on our property. I will be reducing and evaporating my sap into syrup on top of my compact RMH here! Since my first experimental stove here is outside, in the well ventilated barn workshop, I can remove the lid and just put my Dutch oven grille on there in place of the lid. My unit works so well that I have enough confidence to evaporate my sap and operate this beast with NO CHIMNEY! That's how good it works. But I guess I better not count my chickens before they hatch

I will be making a video as soon as I get a decent amount of Sap to reduce. This may also give me the opportunity to measure the pellets per hour burn rate, as I will likely use pellets for this experiment for reduced ash and increased constant reliability without constant tending
 
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I have a design of an outside rocket stove that can be used as a reducing system that is unique to its design. It will definitely keep the air tight propane tank and may even move to a section of 50 gal hot water heater tank instead and sounds like it would also work well with an 8" core.
 
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New video went live today

Rocket stoves episode 13 project updates

 
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I know youre going to like this John.
 
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This thread reminded me that I have something I need to test out for making pizza. I helped to Kickstarter the Basecamp Stove from BioLite.



And then they did a Pizza Dome - which is what John's project reminded me of, combo of a an Rocket Stove with a thermoelectric charging station, a cooking grill and a cover.



Now John has given me the idea that maybe I should do a pie on that bad boy as well. I will have to experiment with it this winter and then get back to this topic.
 
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Bill Erickson wrote:This thread reminded me that I have something I need to test out for making pizza. I helped to Kickstarter the Basecamp Stove from BioLite.



And then they did a Pizza Dome - which is what John's project reminded me of, combo of a an Rocket Stove with a thermoelectric charging station, a cooking grill and a cover.



Now John has given me the idea that maybe I should do a pie on that bad boy as well. I will have to experiment with it this winter and then get back to this topic.



I cooked another pizza recently on this stove, I forgot to share the short video I made.   This compact hybrid has a lid on the bell so the oven doesn't get direct flue gasses.   It's a separate chamber when the oven attachment is on.   I also use a grille ontop of the bell lid, so the crust doesn't burn in bottom.   I have only used this stove once since recently designing and building the cast core model and the match box model.  

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That is a pretty good difference, John. The Pizza Dome option does come with a pizza stone, so that helps with not flame crisping the bottom. I'd be interested to hear how yours does with a stone on the grill. I do like that variation of yours, it's an interesting idea to add to my future projects list.
 
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Adding a charcoal BBQ lid to a flat-top rocket bell seemed simple and effective.   It aims at reducing winter electric oven utility costs with simplicity added to an existing stove.   The best temps I got inside the oven attachment were just above 425F on the cast-core rocket.  But that was with outside external temps and a dense firebrick riser.   It seemed to stay around 350 in the oven, using the compact hybrid stove during outdoors testing.   I think 350-400 is perfect baking temps but there is a thin aero-foil type insulation inside my oven attachment and temps could be regulated with some of the vented style BBQ lids.   It's something simple and easy for any RMH owner to have an alternative way to bake food and save electric costs.   I love fire-cooked meals of any sort, or even simple things like boiling eggs from my own chickens on my own stove, which I designed myself.   Icing on the cake and simple little pleasures and feelings of accomplishment.  

I'm sure temps and regulating them are different for every stove.   Not many stoves are built identical and many are indifferent climates.   I live in Canada but aside from temps, internal or external, this is something anyone can add ontop of thier flat-top barrels and bells.

I agree, you might find more favourable results with a pizza stone.   Something for someone to experiment with...
 
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PELLETS! New video up, 2 yr anniversary retro revival fire on pellets.




 
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Here's an entire video playlist featuring over 55 videos of my own designs and rocket stove mass heater builds I've constructed and tested in the last 3 years.  

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLElYsR7ucePSvcO3QFJaQrSts5TYeTIKu

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Bill Erickson wrote:That is a pretty good difference, John. The Pizza Dome option does come with a pizza stone, so that helps with not flame crisping the bottom. I'd be interested to hear how yours does with a stone on the grill. I do like that variation of yours, it's an interesting idea to add to my future projects list.



the flames and hot exhaust gasses are beneath the bell lid, but the oven attachment is above the lid, a separate chamber completely void of exhaust gasses.   so the bottom of pizza would never get "flame crisping" but it sure does get crispy.  i have a round grille that keeps the pizza slightly up off the bell lid, so the removable oven simply consists of an old charcoal BBQ lid, and the round grille that fits perfectly on the bell, yet under the oven dome attachment.  i think its visible in some of the older videos. i think i might revive this compact upright massive unit sometime soon for a video.  it was the one that got me into rocket stoves and mass heaters, and this one is a compact hybrid thereof , with a huge internal mass.
 
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