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After complaining about cicada damage I'm overjoyed to have these monarch caterpillars eating my milkweed!!!
And the flowers smell so good!
After three years (from seed) the milkweed has spread enough and finally bloomed to attract the monarchs🦋🦋🦋

It's 'common milkweed' from Twisted Tree Farm.
http://www.twisted-tree.net/seeds

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And the fritillaries love the milkweed flowers also.

Their caterpillars feed on passionflower vine though.
Will have to check on them soon.

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Isn't it fun to see caterpillars and butterflies? I found one caterpillar too. This is also a common milkweed about to flower for the first time in the third season. I have other milkweeds but they have fewer and small leaves to feed a lot of monarch caterpillars, especially from the generation heading south. I would transfer all the cats onto the big leaves of common milkweed so the butterflyweeds won't get demolished.

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May, I haven't noticed any caterpillars on my butterfly weed...it's just starting to bloom and the lone survivor from a pkt of seed. Had not thought about moving the caterpillars to the common milkweed. Great idea as the common is running rampent and looks as though I'll be needing to control its spread some.

My butterfly weed is one large clump and has been blooming for a few years now...I wonder if I can divide it?

What other milkweeds do you grow?
Whorled is native here but I haven't tried to grow it in our yard and gardens.

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Currently I have several kinds: green-flowered, tall green, whorled, purple, swamp, orange and yellow butterfly weeds and showy milkweed. Only three are from purchased seed packs and the rest are from local wildflowers.

Swamp milkweed propagates easily by dividing. I haven't tried on butterflyweed but it grows easily from seeds and blooms in the first year.

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I get most of my milkweed collections from wild plants growing in my area. Today I took a 10-minute walk from home and I found quite a few of them. As well as other showy wildflowers.

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This is my first year that I can identify milkweed quickly and I'm so pumped at the sheer amount all over the area that I live in. I haven't seen caterpillars yet, I'm going to have to keep an eye out!

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How is the fall migration doing in your area Judith? I usually start to see them a lot since August but this year I only spotted the first one this morning. I checked the common milkweed and found a few eggs. Population is way down compared to previous years and I don't know if it has to do with drought in the mid Atlantic this summer or not.

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May Lotito wrote:How is the fall migration doing in your area Judith? I usually start to see them a lot since August but this year I only spotted the first one this morning. I checked the common milkweed and found a few eggs. Population is way down compared to previous years and I don't know if it has to do with drought in the mid Atlantic this summer or not.

We saw 2 monarchs total...and my common milkweed that had caterpillars in the early summer dropped leaves during the early fall drought.
They didn't seem attracted to the butterfly weed even though it bloomed a second time and was greener than the common.

We had an abundance of many types of butterflies a few years ago all summer and very few since.

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I saw a total of two monarch butterflies from the fall generation. They love the sunchoke flowers the best among other late blooms.

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People often ask me about whether to raise monarch caterpillars indoors, and if so, how

According to Xerces, it's not a great idea to raise them indoors in large numbers because that interferes with natural breeding. However, they make an exception for education and children. It's very worthwhile to raise one or two caterpillars indoors to show kids the magic, and hopefully raise future butterfly enthusiasts!

Here's a blog post I wrote showing how to raise a monarch caterpillar indoors.

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I read about rearing monarch caterpillars entirely indoors will give rise to weaker individuals that cannot complete the long journey. Another thing is to make sure not to plant non native milkweeds. If tropical milkweeds are planted in the southern states, butterflies can be confused and think they have reached the destination and be killed by coldness.

I usually just keep an eye on caterpillars naturally showing up on my plants and only bring the 5th instar cats inside to form chrysalis. Them I put them out in a sheltered spot for butterflies to emerge safely. I have chickens and outdoor cats and the monarch butterflies can be quite vulnerable in these life cycle stages.

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Judith Browning wrote:After complaining about cicada damage I'm overjoyed to have these monarch caterpillars eating my milkweed!!!
And the flowers smell so good!
After three years (from seed) the milkweed has spread enough and finally bloomed to attract the monarchs🦋🦋🦋

It's 'common milkweed' from Twisted Tree Farm.
http://www.twisted-tree.net/seeds

That link is sold out of common milkweed, but I have lots available if anyone is interested!
https://www.illuminatingnutrition.com/product-page/products-coming-soon

I am new at selling stuff so nudge me here if you're interested because I keep forgetting to check my new 'business email'. I come here more often these days than to my email, lol
My seeds were harvested sustainably in the fall of 2024, from zone 5b/6a (border), Southern Tier NY (PA border), and are suitable for planting anywhere in the US except somewhere on the coast of CA. My link has a link to an explanation of that. Also, if you're thinking of getting other types of milkweed seeds because they are prettier, PLEASE read up on which varieties are good for which regions. We don't want to confuse the monarchs as to whether they're headed N,S,E,or W... or something. <3

If anyone is doing a volunteer project with a group such as Scouts or an environmental or educational group I can donate some seeds. Tell me about it!

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hi Kim!
good luck with your seed sales!

After babying my plants from seed I find myself weeding stray plants many feet away from the original area...easy to pull at least.

It's one of my favorite flower scents!

Lots of blooms but have only seen one monarch and a few fritillarys so far this year.

The butterfly weed is just blooming ...wish it would spread like the common milkweed.

the additional plant with the milkweeds is ~~egyptian onion~~ 😏I meant elephant garlic...I grow it in clumps everywhere for other pollinators and I just like how it looks...have not figured a way to make it less bitter though. I tried a ferment most recently.

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Your butterfly weeds are so lushy and beautiful! Mine don't do well this year, some bugs cut all the tips off. There still might be caterpillars hiding inside the flower clusters. A lot of time I find them when they are already in the 4th or even 5th instar.

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I do occasionally get jealous of you southerners. My most advanced milkweed is about a foot tall.

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Chris, just wait😊....before you know it those plants will be popping up everywhere!
Seems like mine didn't even bloom the first year and now all I do is pull up the strays.

May, everything is lush this year and apparently the bad bugs here are elsewhere for the most part...it's a little scary, like they're
out there lurking until the rain stops and it gets hot and dry.

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... the additional plant with the milkweeds is egyptian onion 😏I meant elephant garlic...I grow it in clumps everywhere for other pollinators and I just like how it looks...have not figured a way to make it less bitter though. I tried a ferment most recently.

OK Judith, are they growing in a bed, or just a strip that doesn't get mown? How early does established milkweed come up? We tend to not mow in the spring until dead nettle is turning yellow in the heat. I'm hoping you'll say I can do away with some more lawn in the next few years.

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Joylynn Hardesty wrote:

... the additional plant with the milkweeds is ~~egyptian onion~~ 😏I meant elephant garlic...I grow it in clumps everywhere for other pollinators and I just like how it looks...have not figured a way to make it less bitter though. I tried a ferment most recently.

OK Judith, are they growing in a bed, or just a strip that doesn't get mown? How early does established milkweed come up? We tend to not mow in the spring until dead nettle is turning yellow in the heat. I'm hoping you'll say I can do away with some more lawn in the next few years.

It's sort of a bed? and definitely unmowed although I get in there with a sickle and cut back grasses to release things...mostly early spring.

It was originally laid out split pine logs with some top soil thrown in the cracks that a friend gave us for hauling away in buckets...it's a curve that I call my shade row that also has mimosas and redbuds and odds and ends of other things to eventually shade the house from the west.

if you plant common milkweed give it some space because it spreads like crazy...I'm constantly pulling new sprouts in the other spot I planted some at the edge of the big garden...probably wasn't a good idea there. In this row we just mow all the way around it to contain.

I don't remember how early it comes up...after frosts though so late april maybe?

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My milkweed is out in the woods so the grass there is never mowed.

I forget the name of the variety though it is native to this area.

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What do monarch eggs look like?
I see a lot of white specks that look similar in size to May's photo ~~above of an egg~~ in another thread but these are flat, more like bug poop I think.

Are the eggs on the upper part of the leaf or underside??

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Anne, I just reread your great thread https://permies.com/t/59341/shelters-habitat/Monarch-butterflies-caterpillars-Creating-Monarch

You've seen their eggs then?

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just found an article with info...
https://monarchbutterflylifecycle.com/blogs/raise/hunt-gather-protect-monarch-eggs

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Judith Browning wrote:Anne, I just reread your great thread https://permies.com/t/59341/shelters-habitat/Monarch-butterflies-caterpillars-Creating-Monarch

You've seen their eggs then?

That was way back in 2016 so I feel that I did see their eggs. I diffidently saw caterpillars.

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It has been several years again and one rose has survive the deer munchies, just barely.

We have seen many years of drought and due to a balance problem I cannot get out and water a garden.

Then feral hogs moved in and got all my Egyptian Walking Onions so I gave up on the garden.

I have my wild flowers that Mother Natures shares with me. Plus we still have mature perennial we planted way back in 2014 or so.

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I find monarch eggs both on both sides and they are 1 mm wide. New eggs are white and turn black before they are about to hatch. Baby caterpillar will chew its way out and turn around to eat the eggshell. One dot in the first picture looks like an egg to me, but others are maybe dried milky sap.

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thank you May!
Those pictures are wonderful!

We looked all over the plants yesterday evening and only found raised lumps on the underside of a young plant...after looking at your photos I suspect these are more dried milky sap rather than eggs.

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a monarch was here just now!
It's in the center of the smaller photo...no one seems as interested in the big butterfly weed though? because it has no scent maybe?
The common milkweed scents the yard daytime and when I go out early morning on the porch the air is still scented.....

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You seem to have a different breed of common milkweed than mine. How tall do they get and what's the average internode length? My plants are over 6' and growing, I am not sure it's genetic or environmental. Locally I find some have green stems and some have purple veins, some stouter and more pink, but seed pods are all typical common milkweed shape. Maybe I should go collect more seeds.

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May, they look similar to me?

The tall flowers on long stalks are elephant garlics...that might be confusing as the color, shape and size are very similar.

The elephant garlic flowers attract their share of butterflies and bees also!

I've added labels for the photos.

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My yellow milkweed and one of the pale purple coneflowers are blooming!
thank you May

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The local pale purple coneflower(E. pallida) would look more droopy with narrow leaves. I have more colorful coneflower seeds if you'd like some.

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I would love more seeds! thank you !

The leaves are definitely narrow although this plant is very small so I was surprised it bloomed. There are two more of them in the large tub with the yellow milkweed that are much larger and show no sign of bloom.

I had good germination for most but they did not all survive the winter ..and then I gave our son some plants also.

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One monarch on the milkweeds...more fluttery than usual but it was just beginning to rain a bit.

The butterfly weed is blooming again even after making some seed pods.

I forget what the milkweed bugs are...probably ID'd back aways in this thread?

and just now on my way to the compost pile I saw a pair of monarchs at the yellow milkweed from May!

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The narrow leaf ones could possibly be swamp milkweed.

There's another that grows in shadier woods here called poke milkweed.

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I thought they were called soldier bugs or soldier beetles. These look the same:

O. fasciatus is a specialist herbivore that frequently consumes milkweed seeds.[19] In addition to its plant-based diet, O. fasciatus has been observed feeding on aphids, monarch caterpillar eggs, and larvae, displaying opportunistic behavior

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thank you Anne!
that's the one😊

so it might be eating monarch larvae?
I thought I would just leave them as they are on only one stalk but now I don't know.

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I dont know, I thought they were beneficial and left them on my milkweed.

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