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TCLynx
Brenda
Bloom where you are planted.
http://restfultrailsfoodforestgarden.blogspot.com/
onestrawrevolution.com
There is no time in modern agriculture for a farmer to write poetry or compose a song -- Masanobu Fukuoka
"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
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There is no time in modern agriculture for a farmer to write poetry or compose a song -- Masanobu Fukuoka
Sustainable Plantations and Agroforestry in Costa Rica
"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
My books, movies, videos, podcasts, events ... the big collection of paul wheaton stuff!
My books, movies, videos, podcasts, events ... the big collection of paul wheaton stuff!
Sustainable Plantations and Agroforestry in Costa Rica
My books, movies, videos, podcasts, events ... the big collection of paul wheaton stuff!
paul wheaton wrote:The idea is to not train them - in any fashion.
"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
Brenda
Bloom where you are planted.
http://restfultrailsfoodforestgarden.blogspot.com/
Joel Hollingsworth wrote:
I'm also completely certain he talked about spiral-staircase branches allowing one to pick fruit from high up.
My books, movies, videos, podcasts, events ... the big collection of paul wheaton stuff!
"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
onestrawrevolution.com
There is no time in modern agriculture for a farmer to write poetry or compose a song -- Masanobu Fukuoka
tc20852 wrote:
I think this is correct. In Aikido, we use "do nothing" to mean "do nothing special" or "do nothing extra" almost the same way the colloquial "no frontin' " is used in Hip Hop Culture. It means to drop pretences and simply harmonize. This is essential in martial practice as 'fronting'- or putting up a false front- creates a vaccum between the 'fronter' and the conflict. And we all know how nature feels about a vaccum- once a 'front' is filled in martial arts, the bout is decided.
As a parallel, to be out of synch with a tree, to impose design, rather than harmonize with the trees integral and essential structure, means creating places that disease, breakage and other trauma issues will occur.
of course, this kind of intuition requires a great deal of time; after 20 years in a traditional martial arts practice one is considered merely a determined and commited BEGINNER.
My practice with trees is only a few years old now, and I have the privilege of comparing trees in close proximity which are both heavily pruned from day one and the trees I plant now, which I will "do nothing" too;
And the truth is that i also "do nothing" to the trees that I prune in a conventional manner- I am simply harmonizing with the inherent strengths and weaknesses of the form they were forced into at an early age. I cannot "fix" them, I simply work to realize the potential they have according to my best knowledge, which you all contribute to, and intuition, which is enlivened by conversations with the trees themselves.
Thank you for your knowledge and thoughts on this subject! I hope my understanding of "do nothing", as it comes to me through Aikido and Zen practice, helps to clarify some of the meaning that is so often lost in translation.
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There is no time in modern agriculture for a farmer to write poetry or compose a song -- Masanobu Fukuoka
Fred Morgan wrote:
If you want to see how well not pruning works, find an abandoned orchard. There will be almost no fruit.
http://www.greenshireecofarms.com
Zone 5a in Central Ontario, Canada
If you want to see how well not pruning works, find an abandoned orchard. There will be almost no fruit.
onestrawrevolution.com
There is no time in modern agriculture for a farmer to write poetry or compose a song -- Masanobu Fukuoka
marinajade wrote:
I can't find the quote (I guess a japanese translation means it's going to be a paraphrase anyway), but I love so much Fukuoka's phrase that the act of farming is actually cultivating the perfection of human beings....(or something like that)
I think he is right. There is something about farming that humbles and enlarges the human spirit.... restores a quietness of soul that enlarges until it must give to those outside and beyond who need it. I see his life like that."When it is understood that one loses joy and happiness in the attempt to possess them, the essence of natural farming will be realized. The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings."
— Masanobu Fukuoka (One-Straw Revolution)
http://www.greenshireecofarms.com
Zone 5a in Central Ontario, Canada
onestrawrevolution.com
There is no time in modern agriculture for a farmer to write poetry or compose a song -- Masanobu Fukuoka
"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
onestrawrevolution.com
There is no time in modern agriculture for a farmer to write poetry or compose a song -- Masanobu Fukuoka
Paul Cereghino- Ecosystem Guild
Maritime Temperate Coniferous Rainforest - Mild Wet Winter, Dry Summer
onestrawrevolution.com
There is no time in modern agriculture for a farmer to write poetry or compose a song -- Masanobu Fukuoka
Paul Cereghino- Ecosystem Guild
Maritime Temperate Coniferous Rainforest - Mild Wet Winter, Dry Summer
onestrawrevolution.com
There is no time in modern agriculture for a farmer to write poetry or compose a song -- Masanobu Fukuoka
I have a peach that was bought from the nursery this year... pruned.... and another one I discovered while pushing out my Food Forest that is not pruned and obviously a few years old. It must have come up from a pip... and I have no idea what kind of peach it is. You are right about the shape... the branches come right from the bottom. I will be leaving it alone for now and just watching and comparing the 2 trees. This no-prune idea is fascinating. Do you think even just a little pruning at ground level will shorten the life of the tree.... if don't keep it up?paul wheaton wrote:
My understanding is that if you start to prune a tree (especially a fruit tree) that the tree will die an early death if you do not keep on pruning it.
In both systems, a central leader is not only preferred, but it is what the tree naturally does on its own.
With no pruning, the tree has branches right next to the ground. Big branches. And rather than a lollipop shape, the tree has more of a pyramid shape.
With that kind of shape, I would think that very little would be able to grow on the ground immediately under such a tree.
I asked Josef Holzer about pruning. He said that if they came across a tree that had some sort of serious problem and they had the right sort of tool in their pocket right then, then, yes, they would do a bit of pruning. But most trees are never pruned in any way.
Fukuoka writes that he tried to not prune the citrus when he first returned to his fathers farm and he then had all sorts of problems. Newer citrus looks more like a shrub and is not pruned.
If anybody has any information to add to this, I would really appreciate it.
larry korn wrote:That's a good question about seedlings grown from seed and not grafted. Thoughts anyone?
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