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Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
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wayne stephen wrote:Evolution is the multiplication of life from simpler to more complex and diverse forms .
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Dale Hodgins wrote:You could take that to mean that the system produces a surplus of plants to be used in expanding the area under management. This could be to areas of your own land or to the neighbors. Continued expansion makes total sense until all agricultural land is managed well.
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
John Polk wrote:
Now, how do we get the 90 million acres of cornfields in the US to follow in our footsteps? That would be true evolution.
Page 3Having evolved ethics, we can then devise ways to apply them to our lives, economies, gardens, land, and nature. This is what this book is about: the mechanisms of mature ethical behavior, or how to act to sustain the earth.
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
My point is that if embracing the ethics does not set a clear path away from chem ag, then these words aren't helping.
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Cj Verde wrote:I'm actually interested in just the first ethic for this thread:
CARE OF THE EARTH: Provision for all life systems to continue and multiply
I just have a little problem with the word "multiply." It implies a continuation of the whole growth theme which seems not very permaculture. I sort of which it either read like this:
Provision for all life systems to continue
or
Provision for all life systems to continue and multiply or contract as necessary
or maybe even
Provision for all life systems to continue to evolve.
Peter Ellis wrote:
Replace "multiply" with "reproduce" and it should erase your conflict. In this sentence multiply is being used as a synonym for reproduce.
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
John Polk wrote:Our local environment is evolving back into nature. That's the easy part.
Now, how do we get the 90 million acres of cornfields in the US to follow in our footsteps? That would be true evolution.
Country oriented nerd with primary interests in alternate energy in particular solar. Dabble in gardening, trees, cob, soil building and a host of others.
Matu Collins wrote:
During the 1800s my town and most of my state, Rhode Island, were completely deforested.
Matu Collins wrote:
So maybe the thing that can stop the vast sea of corn and turn us toward care of earth is a relatively-wonderful-in-the-long-run economic collapse!
What we have done, we can undo
...the end result of the adoption of permaculture strategies in any country or region will be to dramatically reduce the area of agricultural environment needed .... and release much of the landscape for the sole use of wildlife and for re-occupation by endemic flora
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
C. Letellier wrote: If we followed your definitions then permaculture would be for encouraging small pox and polio for example because of your all life forms and their continuing to grow and evolve.
Cj Verde wrote:
Peter Ellis wrote:
Replace "multiply" with "reproduce" and it should erase your conflict. In this sentence multiply is being used as a synonym for reproduce.
My concern is with not addressing contraction.
C. Letellier wrote:I think you are trying to hard on the definition. If we followed your definitions then permaculture would be for encouraging small pox and polio for example because of your all life forms and their continuing to grow and evolve. There needs to be wisdom in our stewardship of the world around us. I am going to say the only place those life forms belong is in a lab and if we can eliminate them we should. There also needs to be a recognition that we will not always agree on what that best course is. For example most hard core permaculture people are for avoiding any concrete in home construction. Personally I think it is a valuable tool and it needs to be used wisely and I happen to consider its energy expenditures to be acceptable because of it long life expectancy and lack of maintenance when used wisely. On the other hand I was surprised at how cavalierly people here were treating the use of pearlite and vermiculite. Here we have a limited non renewable resource that is fairly energy intensive to make. It is natural igneous rock with a high natural water content in its chemistry but it still has to be "popped" to give it its light structure with pores, which takes energy. Only some rock has the right chemistry to make it meaning the supply is limited.
Country oriented nerd with primary interests in alternate energy in particular solar. Dabble in gardening, trees, cob, soil building and a host of others.
The Ethical Basis of Permaculture:
1. CARE OF THE EARTH
2. CARE OF THE PEOPLE
3. SETTING LIMITS TO POPULATION AND CONSUMPTION
Bill Mollison wrote:The real risk is that the needs of those people "working on the ground", the inhabitants, are overthrown by the needs (or greeds) of commerce and centralzied power;
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