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Anybody used these Barrel Stove Kits?

 
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Has anybody used one of these barrel stove kits? Cast iron door and flue connector with damper. Stubby little legs would need to be raised.

This would be for outdoor use, burning junk wood and adding a bit of heat at various winter work sites. Not even remotely efficient, but I don't care. I regularly get steel barrels for free. The door and flue damper would let me positively button up the dregs of the fire so I can walk away and not worry.

I think with a short chimney I'd have to add an additional air hole -- maybe place the bungs at the sides of the door?

What do you think? Worth the money?
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Heck yeah, I have built and used cast iron double-barrel kits several times myself and seen them in use for years.
You should not need any extra air intake; they draw in air very well.
 
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I find them to be good if I want a relatively small area heated up fast .. such as a single car garage sized work shop.   I have never had the parts wear out.  Do protect the bottom of the primary burn area with sand, firebrick, whatever.   That will significantly extend the life of the barrel. Also, regularly check the barrel for damage. I have heard it is downright exciting to have the fire drop out onto a wood floor.
 
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Be aware that a lot of barrels have some pretty funky paint embedded in their metal and it can take a real long time for them to burn off. I regret making a burn barrel out of a painted barrel.. if I could do it again, I would go find a stainless steel barrel or something that hasn't been painted. When it's really cooking even after months of burning, I still get toxic smoke coming off.

 
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I have one in my shop.  Pretty happy with it.  The parts are a little crude so I wouldn't use it in a living space, but outside as you suggest is a great idea. As was mentioned protect the bottom.  I maintain a good layer of ash to insulate the bottom.
 
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Even if outside, I would really want to use at least a short chimney, so that the smoke wouldn't be hovering around me. Granted, my ecosystem is notorious for down-drafts!
 
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Yes, a chimney is important.  The barrel stove won't draw well without at least a few feet of chimney.
 
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Agreed, it would absolutely have a chimney on it. At least 4', preferably 6'. It looks like there's enough lip on the chimney connector to put in a few screws so it doesn't fall over.

Part of the reason for this project is to keep the smoke out of my lungs. I've eaten enough already *cough, hack, wheeze.*
 
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Kye Goods wrote:Be aware that a lot of barrels have some pretty funky paint embedded in their metal and it can take a real long time for them to burn off.


Good point. Luckily I haven't had that problem with the used oil drums I get. The paint burns off right away.
 
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I have built three of these over the years.  For the second and third, I used a grinder with a sanding disc to remove the paint prior to firing it up.  This was a bit of work but worth it for an indoor unit.  It is true however that the paint will eventually burn off if you don't remove it before use.  You have to get it pretty hot though if you want to burn it off quickly.  

As for barrel type, I recommend you use the the open top kind with a disk lid or cover and a thick metal retaining strip or ring.  This give you easy access to the inside for firebrick or refractory cement installation, and easier attachment of the feet and exhaust or second barrel attachment collar.  You can pour a cement mixture of this nature in three steps.  Do the first one to an inch or two high in the center, let harden, and then rotate and do a second pour. Then rotate the other direction and do a third pour. The 2nd and third pours will overlap the edges of the first slab poured . Putting a few 1 inch long self tapping metal screws through the sides from the outside to be embedded in the concrete will ensure it remains in place.  You can also throw in a bit of cheap chicken wire or large grid hardware cloth to resist scaling or cracking but make sure it is embedded.  I recall reading somewhere that you can also substitute a high Portland concentration concrete to make a kind of high temp concrete, but have not tried that.  This was in the context of making propane forge chambers...

As long as I am on the topic of refractory cement mixes, an idea I have is to improve the combustion temp characteristics of these stoves by adding vermiculite, thus partially insulating the combustion chamber for a better burn.  It would be wise to attach a second level barrel for heat exchange, and some fins on the stack, as well.   If you don't do this and just use the bung end type, then get large diameter self tapping sheet metal screws.  Be sure to set the clutch on your drill gun appropriately so as not to strip the holes as you do the install.  Of course you can just use machine screws or stove bolts but this is a bit of a pain, especially if doing through only the door opening.  Don't use galvanized screws or bolts.  No point since the barrel is not galvanized, and you don't zinc fumes coming off this thing.  Perhaps this is less of a concern for an outdoor unit.  

Please forgive me for being a bit off topic since this might be overkill for an outdoor trash wood burner, but it is nice to experiment, and barrel stoves do have indoor utility in many cases.  For example, I can envision a situation where one might want to pack in supplies in a couple of them to remote building sites and then convert the empties barrels to a stove.

Ideal type but look for a used one: https://www.bayteccontainers.com/55galstdrop.html  I would recommend the bolt ring kind, but either will work.  You will want to replace the gasket ring with stove gasket or stove cement.

For what it's worth, if you are just using this as a glorified burn barrel, you may be better off just using a burn barrel but putting a 6 or 8 inch hole in the top (cut the top off if using the bung type of drum) but place it back on the barrel once you get the fire going.  Add handles or a bracket for a stick or pole to remove it when hot for refueling, or put it on a hinge.  Putting a chimney on a burn barrel greatly improves the efficiency and cleanliness of the burn.  Once red hot you will get minimal smoke or soot - just super hot emissions.  Don't forget the air inlets at the bottom of the barrel.  If you cut them with a grinder and do them as slats - i.e., don't cut them all the way off; just cut three sides of the rectangular openings, and bend them in at an angle to the tangent of the barrel - the incoming air will be directed in more or less tangentially into the barrel creating a cyclone effect.  You will get a whirling dervish of combustion emissions sort of like a cyclone coal furnace.  If you do this without a lid/chimney, it will stretch up to 8 feet high.  Pretty impressive and nice on a cold night for a social get together, but imperative that you don't have any vertical obstructions like tree limbs above it.  This may seem obvious, but you can get away with a lot of tempting of fate with a regular open burn barrel because the emissions are not as  hot to begin with and lose directional cohesion only a foot or so above the edge of the barrel (see Rocky 1 South Philly Italian market running scene for example of this - yes I spent some time in Philly and they do run burn barrels there in the winter - or did at least until 2014 when I left)

Frankly, you don't need the kit for what you have in mind.  Look up some videos on these.  This one would probably work for you:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xMHbJIFdfc  If you go this route, attach the hinges for the door before cutting, then cut to the hinges and then take them off temporarily to make the rest of the cut, and then reattach the hinges.  You get perfect alignment and ultimately easier.  Again as prior mentioned, if using self tapping screws, take care not to strip the holes as you install.  Use the clutch setting if you haven't been using drill guns for decades and have a good 'touch' with them.

Again, a bit of an apology for extending the scope past your initial post.  But we are all here to learn and share info...
 
 
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Yeah I know I could build my own. That would be more fun. But I have a lot of calls on my time right now so I need to pick my battles. This kit looks like a quick fix.

I already have open top barrels for char making. This project will be for quick burns that I can walk away from and know the coals are safely buttoned up.
 
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Douglas Alpenstock wrote:Yeah I know I could build my own. That would be more fun. But I have a lot of calls on my time right now so I need to pick my battles.


This! There's a place for quick fixes, so long as the product one's looking at will do the job.

Shame they didn't include a panel designed to sit on top and hold a kettle! Hot soup, hot tea, stacking functions!
 
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Five minutes of work with a wire feed welder will tack on a nice flat spot.
 
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Dave Kett wrote: Don't forget the air inlets at the bottom of the barrel.  If you cut them with a grinder and do them as slats - i.e., don't cut them all the way off; just cut three sides of the rectangular openings, and bend them in at an angle to the tangent of the barrel - the incoming air will be directed in more or less tangentially into the barrel creating a cyclone effect.  You will get a whirling dervish of combustion emissions sort of like a cyclone furnace.  If you do this without a lid/chimney, it will stretch up to 8 feet high.  Pretty impressive and nice on a cold night for a social get together.  


I have seen this done. There are endless free barrels out there to play with. Good ideas on low tech innovations -- keep them coming!
 
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thomas rubino wrote:Five minutes of work with a wire feed welder will tack on a nice flat spot.


True. Perhaps a lot of work for a thin disposable barrel. I would just bash an area sort of flat, drill five big holes with a step bit, bung the kettle on top, and drop in five junk bolts to close the holes. It that low tech enough?
 
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If it doesn't need to be portable, you could cover it in thermal mass.
 
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Douglas,

I see your point, but in all honesty the kits take longer to assemble than what the fellow in the video did.  Believe me I know. They require precision in the cuts and also the screw holes, unless you are using self tapping screws...  This was why I kept getting divrted to talking about burn barrels instead of the stove,   Just seemed that for at least part of your purpose a burn barrel with a chimney would be cheaper, easier, and faster.  But yes, those barrel stoves are aesthetically superior.

On an aside, it is really encouraging to see how knowledge of biochar has proliferated!

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[quote=Douglas Alpenstock]Yeah I know I could build my own. That would be more fun. But I have a lot of calls on my time right now so I need to pick my battles. This kit looks like a quick fix.

I already have open top barrels for char making. This project will be for quick burns that I can walk away from and know the coals are safely buttoned up.[/quote]
 
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Dave Kett wrote:...in all honesty the kits take longer to assemble than what the fellow in the video did.



It doesn't seem complicated to me. It doesn't need to be pretty.  Drill holes at the corners for a clean job (square for the door, octagon for the chimney). An angle grinder with a cutting wheel will make short work of the straight cuts.

I'll probably do four bolts each for the door and the chimney connector, with stacked flat washers to make it easy to cut them off when they're old and rust-welded. The rest will be self tapping screws.

I scrounged a much better steel cradle so I don't need to bother with the legs.
 
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Dave Kett wrote: But yes, those barrel stoves are aesthetically superior.


Alas, some of us have family members who care about such things!

Son - genuinely doesn't seem to care
Hubby - claims he doesn't, except he acts like he does... can be quite confusing.
Daughter in Law - wants it to look pretty - not to the point of the pretty thing loosing function, but definitely has opinions! Much less confusing than Hubby!
 
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There is a version of the pocket rocket stove that is popular in Japanese StoveTube.
Instead of a feed tube, half of the barrel is sealed off from the other with a vertical baffle.
The two sides of the barrel are only open to each other at the bottom of the barrel.
The stoves have a strong,hot,cleanish sideways burn, and a bigger fuel chamber than the standard pocket rocket.

Here a video of one.
It's rather overbuilt in my opinion, but it really shows the design off:
https://youtu.be/RKQSUF8M834?t=502&si=UIRUTEWqkAowR4VZ
 
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