Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
I endure a tremendous amount of peer pressure for my decision.
Malathion is considered safe after it dries, too
Cristo Balete wrote:Spinosad is scary stuff. It doesn't select for what it kills when it is wet, it kills honey bees and all the other thousands of pollinating insects. They are having enough trouble as it is. Bees are out earlier than we are, and are working hard by the time we show up with spray. Even if we spray at night, some liquid could still be present in the early morning. Drying times on drops of liquid in the shade of leaves, branches, flowers, trees, etc., is random, especially in humid climates.
The claim about Spinosad is that it's safe for us and safe after it dries, and who knows how long that really takes when bees are all over every tiny surface. Spinosad involves two types of bacteria that was found on an isolated island, and is now spread throughout the world way too fast for natural protections to have developed.
Here's some info on it from UC Davis
Toxicity Level III for honey bees
Malathion is considered safe after it dries, too.
Cristo Balete wrote:Spinosad is a very unfortunate addition to the Organic Materials List. But not everyone agrees with that list. Is that list the standard for a permaculurist?
Bryant RedHawk wrote:
I would probably put my efforts into soil health and thus improve the tree's health so they can spring back with new growth and I would hand pick, the trees are small so this is not so hard to do, except for the probable need of picking over several days to get rid of them all.