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An important distinction: Permaculture is not the same kind of gardening as organic gardening.
Mediterranean climate hugel trenches, fabuluous clay soil high in nutrients, self-watering containers with hugel layers, keyhole composting with low hugel raised beds, thick Back to Eden Wood chips mulch (distinguished from Bark chips), using as many native plants as possible....all drought tolerant.
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Bryant RedHawk wrote:hau Linda, As Cristo and chip have mentioned, it is not that the mushrooms may be poisonous that is the issue when using mushrooms in your compost heaps, it is the mycelium (hyphae) that really do the work.
Since mushrooms are the fruiting bodies of mycelium they can be discounted when it comes to composting (just pluck them and put those fruits back in the compost from which they sprang).
We have several different compost heaps going all the time on our farm, every one of these heaps gets inoculated with native spores and mushroom slurries.
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hi kisten! my question to you is do you want a mushroom to break down compost or do you just want to grow them? reason I'm asking is green compost is too hot for most mushroom species but they will grow in older compost. if you have a pile of almost finished compost buy some blewit spawn and mix it in . it will take about a year before you see mushrooms. like was mentioned, make sure you identify whats growing before consuming. there are other species that are poisonous that look similar to blewits. now if you just want mushrooms to eat and are easy to identify, grow king stropharia or wine cap mushroom. they're a big meaty mushroom and very prolific! i have them growing under all my berry bushes and trees on my property. they tolerate the sun more than most mushrooms. to grow them find a shady area, clean the spot down to just dirt, mix a bag of spawn with a wheelbarrow full of wet hardwood chips. spread it out to about 4in . thick. cover w/ 2-3in of straw and water. if you start the patch in early spring , you should get mushrooms by early fall. but bigger flushes the following spring. i water my patches when i water my garden . if you don't have access to pure hardwood , wine caps will also grow if there is some evergreen chips mixed in but no cedar! i get my chips at a firewood business up the road. if you want to spread your patches just take some of the chips from your mother patch that are white with mycelium and mix it with some fresh wet chips. place it on bare ground where you want. i also take the stems of the mushrooms or past prime ones, chop them up and mix with chips. that works too.i bet i got 50lbs of shrooms just out of my raspberry patch alone last summer! hope this helps! good luck!Kristen Schroder wrote:
Bryant RedHawk wrote:hau Linda, As Cristo and chip have mentioned, it is not that the mushrooms may be poisonous that is the issue when using mushrooms in your compost heaps, it is the mycelium (hyphae) that really do the work.
Since mushrooms are the fruiting bodies of mycelium they can be discounted when it comes to composting (just pluck them and put those fruits back in the compost from which they sprang).
We have several different compost heaps going all the time on our farm, every one of these heaps gets inoculated with native spores and mushroom slurries.
i am reading a book on growing mushrooms and all the recommendations are to be sterile- sterile growing medium, sterile container in which to grow the mushrooms, etc etc. since i want to use mushrooms to break down chicken poo and other organic matter to improve my compost, that advice seemed incorrect somehow.
i have a few questions regarding this wonderful information you have just shared.
(1) how does one go about innoculating compost with native spores?
(2) what is a mushroom slurry?
i would go back to reading my book, but it seems like the audience there is fancy restaurants, not really "woman who wants to up her compost mojo"
thanks!!!
kristen
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Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
I tried the "Sterile" approach to growing mushrooms. But it was more like working in a chemical laboratory than farming. So I went back to my roots as a dirty farm boy. I currently do all my mushroom growing in natural conditions. Mushrooms have competed with germs since time immemorial. They survive just fine in the wild without sterility.
Making a slurry basically means throwing some mushrooms into some water, and stirring or blending it, and then dumping the mix out where you want mushrooms to grow. Hopefully onto some kind of organic matter that they like to eat.
when you're going through hell, keep going!
Bryant RedHawk wrote:
We have several different compost heaps going all the time on our farm, every one of these heaps gets inoculated with native spores and mushroom slurries.
Sincerely,
Ralph
Mark Harpur wrote:
I am just getting started on my permaculture journey, though mine has a twist. I'm on a 37ft sail boat, so space is rather limited. This thread is of particular interest for me as I am currently exploring how to deal most effectively with my vegetable scraps. Currently we have a large plastic bin that we throw everything in, it has two lids to seal it air tight, which we have been using. Now about a month of veg waste has accrued and it is almost full. Problem is it has not decomposed much. So my question is how can we speed up the composting? Is there a type of mushroom we could add to the vegetable waste to get it to break down faster? Also does keeping both lids on it (making it air tight) help or hamper the decomposition?
"The rule of no realm is mine. But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, these are my care. And for my part, I shall not wholly fail in my task if anything that passes through this night can still grow fairer or bear fruit and flower again in days to come. For I too am a steward. Did you not know?" Gandolf
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Ralph Kettell wrote:
Bryant RedHawk wrote:
We have several different compost heaps going all the time on our farm, every one of these heaps gets inoculated with native spores and mushroom slurries.
Dr. Redhawk,
Where does one acquire the spores to make the slurries and what specific ones do you recommend?
Thanks.
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steve bossie wrote:growing indoors as opposed to outdoors is 2 different animals. gave up indoor growing because its such a pain. no ones sure why but mushrooms fight of molds and bacteria outside but not in. its all about soil contact. something in the soil allows the mushroom to defend itself. that said tho. I've tried adding soil to my indoor grows but still got contamination in my grows. even Dr. Staments doesn't understand this process.
It is all about numbers. If you get a thousand rolls of the dice you get snake eyes sometimes. If you get a billion rolls you will get a lot of snake eyes. Outside environments provide more dice rolls. When I perform mycology inside I'm only rolling a few dice. (Comparatively)
Judy Jackson wrote:Dr Redhawk,
Lateral thinking here but can you freeze in mushrooms to add to your compost heap say, during the summer and, is there any advantage to do so ??
Kindest regards
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