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Judith Browning
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I'd like to discuss CBD oil, cannabidiol oil.

I hoped that because it's legal and devoid of any THC and also derived from industrial hemp that it could fit in 'medicial herbs' rather than the 'cider press'. 

CBD hemp oil is made from high-CBD, low-THC hemp, unlike medical marijuana products, which are usually made from plants with high concentrations of psychoactive tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). Because hemp contains only trace amounts of THC, these hemp oil products are non-psychoactive.


We are experimenting with it to wean my husband off of conventional pain pills after back surgery with the hope that it helps heal nerve damage and overall inflammation.  The brand we're using is 'Innovative' and the dose is one dropper full (100MG) once a day.  He thinks it's helping but has only been taking for ten days or so.

Does anyone have any first hand (or second hand ) experiences using any brand for anything either long term or short term?

I notice that it comes up here in suggestions having to do with nerve pain quite frequently.....


 
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Hi Judith.

In my experience, CBD is actually derived from strains of medicinal marijuana bred to have high levels of CBD, and correspondingly low levels of THC. Some prepared products have none at all, but I have heard mixed reviews, and the overwhelming majority, and this is in cases where the amounts concerned would be sub-psychoactive levels anyway, feel that some THC is needed to make the CBD work properly.

To be clear, THC has medical applications as well, and there are cases of people not having success with CBD, but a lower 50/50 dose had great effect. The trick in those cases is avoiding impairment, but again, the level of impairment involved when treating pain with low doses of cannabis is exceedingly low as compared to opiates and other prescription drugs.

Having said that, one of the benefits of experimenting with cannabis for pain is that there is no real risk of overdose that I am aware. I have vapourized concentrates for acute pain (I crushed my hand in a paper press, only soft tissue damage, no lasting harm but it swelled to the size of a football) to the point where I passed out (not the intent at the time, the pain was just bad, and I lost track). Unlike other serious pain medications, physical habituation takes a relatively long time of heavy use, and withdrawal symptoms are likened to caffeine withdrawal.

Lastly, the oil itself is important. I have made oil extractions myself, and have noticed that medium-chain triglycerides, coconut oil, and butter or ghee are the most bioavailable. I have also used olive oil, to lesser success. It apparently has a use for those with renal impairment or specific stomach ailments, as it is processed in a different way than the more effective fats, but the more circuitous route means that it hits differently. I don't know how effective the hemp oil is, especially if hemp isn't something that your husband's gut's microbiome is used to processing, but something to try would be adding hemp hearts to his diet. He might find that with more parts of the plant the CBD came from being processed by his system, you might get parts of the plant chemistry removed by the processing that help his body assimilate it more completely. This might be bunk, but I have found that, whether psychosomatic or not, my medicine works better when I eat more of the plant.

I hope your experiments are fruitful, and that your husband is able to get off the pain pills. Please keep us updated.

-CK



 
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Thank you Chris...good information and I would love to discuss medical cannabis and how to make an oil,  decarboxylation, etc. but I think it's got to go in the cider press....I think that even though many states have passed MM and it's legal in some other countries, the discussion is still off limits here?

I was hoping to just stay with over the counter CBD oil in this thread though so it can stay in the 'medicinal herbs' forum.
 
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Hi Judith.

I was very careful not to suggest anything illegal in my last post, but I do understand your concern. I have never used this product specifically, but I maintain that if a person's body has trouble processing the oil carrying the CBD, the effect will also suffer. I think that the whole eating of hemp hearts, which I do in my oatmeal, provides metabolites specific to the plant that aid in complete digestion and use of the medicinally relevant compounds. This is just anecdotal evidence, but it's worked for me.

My mom, incidentally, tried some 100MG CBD pills for a heel spur she had to deal with (she's on her feet all day long). She's one to talk with on this issue, as she has no recreational experience, or desire for it, to cloud the issue. I will talk to her about her experience and see if she has any helpful advice.

As the oil your husband is using is sub-lingual, does that indicate that it is to be absorbed by the mucus membrane? Sub-linguals are usually glycogen based, in my experience. Unless I am much mistaken, and yes, I went to the site and read their information, fats aren't absorbed that way and must be digested. Have you come across this anywhere?

I suppose if you wanted further avenues of exploration, your husband could try swallowing the dose, as opposed to holding it under his tongue.

Good luck. Cannabis and its derivatives will likely see a surge as pain medication in light of the opioid crisis and all the aging baby boomers who want to preserve their hearts, livers, kidneys, and stomach linings from conventional off-the-shelf and prescription pain medication. I hope you guys find something that works for you.

-CK
 
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Ill step in, I have been occasionally using medical oil for about seven months. Like any thing substance, it can be used or abused. I used to be on Paxil for occasional light depression and I have two vertebrae in my neck that are stiff some days and ache. I don't really like to get " high" or " goofy" as grandma called it.
This is not the 60's anymore. Medical marijuana is coming to be accepted as medicine. Even in the draconian state of CT.
If you go to your doctor, he is gonna give you pills, yes I'm still a criminal in this state cause the paper work is expensive and lengthy. It has helped me. A  vial costs me $50 and lasts for four months. It is not the same feeling you get when smoking.  No silliness, no giggles, no " munchies". When my Daughers moth was dying of cancer this summer.  Guess what an option the doctors provided her with?? A medical marijuana time release patch for the pain ( throat and Brain cancer, could not inhale anything).  Stepped out on a limb here folks.  I do feel strongly about this issue.  Call yourself a permie? Believe in natures medicines? Think about my words.     Larry
 
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As the oil your husband is using is sub-lingual, does that indicate that it is to be absorbed by the mucus membrane? Sub-linguals are usually glycogen based, in my experience. Unless I am much mistaken, and yes, I went to the site and read their information, fats aren't absorbed that way and must be digested. Have you come across this anywhere?


Good point...he is swallowing the dropper full, not holding under his tongue....and now I see more questions.  We are buying it at a local store not on line.  I did not see where it said 'sub-lingual' though? 

I do see that the reason for using industrial hemp for this product is so that it can be sold here legally....sigh....

 
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I have been occasionally using medical oil for about seven months.


Hi Larry, by medical oil do you mean CBD oil?  I thought it was all available over the counter now. 

Is it helping?
 
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The site you linked to has three products. One is capsules, the second is the pressed hemp oil extraction you mentioned, which specifies sublingual, and the third is a topical or salve. Is there a reason why you chose the oil as opposed to the capsules?

Also, the site specifies industrial hemp, but I am thinking that they don't mean a fibre or seed variety. We're probably talking about a high CBD strain with levels of THC low enough to qualify for non-psychoactive status, which makes it legal in areas where the THC isn't allowed.

-CK
 
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I think that the whole eating of hemp hearts, which I do in my oatmeal, provides metabolites specific to the plant that aid in complete digestion and use of the medicinally relevant compounds.


good thought...I can get those at our local 'health food' store. 
 
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Is there a reason why you chose the oil as opposed to the capsules?


No, there is no reason other than having heard more about the oil.  Next month will check with herbalist more thoroughly.  This was almost an impulse buy as he isn't happy with the dr's prescription.
 
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Chris Kott wrote:...the second is the pressed hemp oil extraction you mentioned, which specifies sublingual,

-CK

That's odd, I see what you found, but the bottle itself and the brochure say nothing about it being sublingual..I wonder if it's a mistake on their page?
https://www.innovativecbd.com/product-category/sublingual/

 
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Judith Browning wrote:
I have been occasionally using medical oil for about seven months.


Hi Larry, by medical oil do you mean CBD oil?  I thought it was all available over the counter now. 

Is it helping?


Judith, it's not over the counter here, it does come in medical packaging, unfortunately, the break down writing is very small and I don't have my cheaters right now. Sometimes I'll go for a week without touching my Vap pen. It has helped me with my my neck. Had X-rays taken years ago, my doctor told me to do something else for a living ( like after 36 years of plumbing and fire protection, that was an option).  And it has helped greatly with some minor depression issues. As mentioned before, I used to be on Paxil for it. I have not taken that for 7 months.  I am happy that I got to see the acceptiance of hemp products as medicine in my lifetime. If I can get the " card" it came with and cheaters in the same place, I'll look the break down up for you.   Larry
 
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Judith, I found the card that came with the Vap oil. I was wrong about the CDB oil. The break down on this card is 93 percent THC and 7 percent inert ingredients. Oddly there is a note stating no CDb's ?   Larry
 
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Larry Bock wrote:Judith, I found the card that came with the Vap oil. I was wrong about the CDB oil. The break down on this card is 93 percent THC and 7 percent inert ingredients. Oddly there is a note stating no CDb's ?   Larry


thanks Larry, that's the good one for pain and mood then.  I don't know if the CBD oil is going to work as an anti inflammatory and for nerve healing but we'll give it a few months to see.  It's an everyday dropper full (and has no THC).

I guess ours contains the CBD missing from your bottle
 
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