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I have 6 sea buckthorn on order (One Green World combo).  I'd like to plant them near the road but I don't really want them taking over the place.  If it matters, the female varieties are Titan, Russian Orange, Orange Energy and a mystery one, plus one male plant.

I have some thick blue plastic 35 gallon drums available.  I could cut the ends off the drums and then cut the resulting tubes into rings that are about 12" tall.  If I buried one of those rings around each seaberry, would that keep it from escaping?

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I've had SB for at least ten years and I've not had a problem with them spreading.  I mow with a mower and that seems to a good job of keeping them in check.  
 
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The spot I'm going to put them won't allow for easy mowing

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I'm still looking for thoughts on if containing seaberries in a 12" high ring of plastic drum would keep them from spreading.  Or are their root suckers deeper than that?  I've never worked with these guys before so I'm trying to be prepared for their arrival.  I'll have them planted inside this Creative Wavy Fence to eventually become a living fence.  So access will be a bit limited once the fence is set up. So I can't mow around them or maybe even weed whack.  Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

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I've heard that birds can spread their seeds through their droppings, so it's possible that any such measure won't be effective in that case

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Mike, the sea buckthorn sends roots out to the side at a depth of around 18 inches so your rings would need to be at least 18 inches deep but probably closer to 20 inches deep would work best.
The alternative would be to snip any "volunteer" plants as they came up from the roots, that would be rather time consuming since you can't get in there with a mower.
Another alternative would be to scythe or use a string line trimmer.

I like your idea of the rings, just make sure they go deep enough to contain the roots so they have to go deep instead of spreading out to create runners.

If you plant to have these make a living fence, you might want them to spread in the area where you desire that fence and just snip off any "outliers".

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Thanks guys!  I didn't think they'd send their runners that deep underground!!  I'll have to make longer tubes or rethink my containment scheme.  If I could build a rectangular box (like an underground raised bed) that contains them into a 24' by 4' bed, I'd be all set.  Maybe it's easier to hand prune them at that point.

Thanks for the input, I'm off to the races now

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there are some varieties that don't sucker. i don't remember what cultivar they are but you could look up  or just snip the new shots that spring up. mine are 4 yrs old and haven't sent out runners so far.
 
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I just tried searching for the three varieties I know they'll send and there was no info other than this great site from Carandale Farm where they tried Titan and it didn't spread.  They chalked it up to their silt/clay/loam soil.  I have sandy loam so...?  

I found another site that recommended a 3' spacing.  If I use the blue barrels and they sucker within them, that will give about a 2' circle of thorny death with a 1' space between the shrubs.  That's probably going to be a decent fence for deer...

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A bit off topic - but I am desperate at this point Does anyone have Sunny cultivar seeds to share? The only one source I found is from Canada and it comes with a $92 price tag (mostly shipping). I would try any other sweet and less thorny cultivars if anyone has any to share.

Much thanks.

P.S. Almost submitted before noticing that I spelled thorny with no "t"...
 
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I have 2 seaberry plants, Sunny and Lord, in a strip of chip bed between fruit trees. They are suckering like crazy within the chip bed. They've shot suckers out past the comfrey I planted as a root barrier and now I'm afraid they're going to disturb the asparagus crowns I planted beyond the comfrey, if not the fruit trees themselves (despite proper spacing.)

Mike or anyone else, have you had any luck with root barriers? At this point I'm considering pulling them entirely because if they're this bad in their 3rd year I feel like I'll be fighting them forever.



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