Paradise Eco-Village Sanctuary (U.S.A.)

We are building a spiritual community where everyone love each others.  As a community of people who love each others, we will be able to follow instructions hidden in the Holy Scriptures to become immortal.  (How does one know if something is true?  Walk the path and find out for themselves.  How does one know if there is food in the fridge?  Walk the path and open the fridge to find out for themselves.)  We wish to find out for ourselves, and we invite those wishing to find out for themselves to walk the path with us.

“To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.” — Romans 2:8

“He has saved us and called us to a holy life–not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time, but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.” — 2 Timothy 1:10


We are gathering 144 sincere & self-motivated people to form a community (a trustworthy, dependable & unified group), who will collaborate together to build an eco-village from the ground up; with all the necessary principles to ensure a perpetual environment of peace, love, kindness, equality, abundance, social responsibility, and most importantly (free of corruption). It is an environment in which the people & children will love and care for the elderly, and integrate the elderly into the community instead of discarding them into nursing home.  Since we all will get old and weak at some point (for those that choose to stay mortal).  It’s important to build a community that will walk this path of loving and nurturing the weakest & most feeble among the community. As they say, “we reap what we sow.”  A loving and nurturing environment has important implications for both mortal & immortal people.

Unlike most other intentional and eco communities out there that are under someone else’s building and zoning code. This eco-village will have autonomous “home rule” jurisdiction over the building & zoning code. In other words, we will be able to build however we see fit, using the local available resources to cut construction cost.

“In the United States, some states constitutionally or legislatively grant home rule to cities, counties, and municipalities within their borders. These are called “home rule states.” Local governments in home rule states are free to pass laws and ordinances as they see fit to further their operations, within the bounds of the state and federal constitutions. In other states, local governments have only the authority expressly granted to them by state legislatures, typically in accordance with the legal principle known as Dillon’s Rule. ” — source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_rule#United_States

We post our advert across America looking for those that are of like-mind, who regard the principle of “Home is where the heart is” more important than the physical location. In other words, the desire to be in a kind & caring community should be more important than where the location will be.  (If you need to ask about the location, then it means this community is not right for you.)

If you are a peaceful, patience, humble, and kind-hearted person who are awaken and aware of what’s going on globally.  If you are ready to walk the path of peace instead of the path of politics & conflicts. If you are tire of being trap in a rat race and want to escape from it.   If you are tire of living in a stressful competitive dog eat dog environment, where you constantly have to watch your back; and you are ready to live in a loving, tranquil & peaceful environment where everyone in the community nurture & watch out for each others well being.  If you desire to become immortal with the community (not a requirement).  Then contact us to begin the collaboration process.

The property will be community owned, while the floating houses or tiny homes on wheels/gypsy wagons are individually owned.  The floating houses can be docked to the main floating community hub, or separate to go sight seeing on the man-made lake of the community.  The tiny homes on wheels/gypsy wagons can also be wheeled onto floating platform to dock with the main floating community hub if so desire.  The community will help the members build their own floating house or gypsy wagon, using the available natural resources on the community property, as well as using recycle materials to drastically cut cost for those who are on a tight budget.  It has come to our attention that there are those who mistakenly associate gypsy wagons with nomads wandering aimlessly.  To clear up any possible misconceptions, we re-emphasize that we are building a community with clear long term goals and directions.  For those who do not wish to live in gypsy wagons or tiny homes, we do intend on building permanent housing structures.  But in the beginning, tiny homes on wheels/gypsy wagons are the most cost effective ways of providing shelters for the community’s pioneering settlers.





FOR THOSE WISHING TO JOIN US:
As part of our screening process to ensure sincerity and to promote productive communication, please answer the following preliminary formality questions when you contact us if you desire a reply.  These questions are meant to help you.  They are meant to help us figure out how to best communicate with you in a positive manner.  The purpose of our eco-village is to problem solve, avoid humanity's past mistakes and bring hope.  And in order to problem solve, we have to face and acknowledge certain truthful things that exist in our world.  Unfortunately, not everyone have a mind that is strong enough to handle the truth without becoming depress, distraught, or lose hope.  Which would be the opposite of our intention, which is to bring hope.  So we have to evaluate people to see whom we can disclose the truth and whom we cannot before we communicate with them.  So if you do not answer our questions, we will not reply.  It is not that we are being rude. It's just that we would not know what to say to you that would not upset nor disturb you.  Simply cut and paste the questions and put your answers under each question.  Please do this in the purple moose and not as a reply on this thread.

Tell us a little about yourself (i.e. what is your current goals/life goals? How do you envision the village community helping you to achieve those goals? What skills do you have currently?  If none, what peaceful & constructive skills would you be interested in learning to help the community?  If a situation arises such that no one in the community has a particular set of skills that the community needs, are you willing to learn those skills assigned to you? (In other words, are you communal minded enough to be motivated to learn a new skill for the mutual benefits of all in your community?)

What’s your current situation (i.e. are you someone who wants to get into an eco-village asap [which we cannot accommodate at the moment], or do you have the patient & is able to wait a few years while the community work together to acquire the land & build the infrastructures? )

And what is the driving factors/reasons behind your desire to be a part of this particular eco-village?

Are you someone whose mind can face & handle the truth of our world no matter how disturbing & horrific they are?  If so, are you able to make use of these truth to problem solve in a peaceful & constructive manners? (i.e. being able to problem solve without resorting to the path of violence, conflicts, or politics)

Or, are you someone whose mind cannot handle the truth, and need certain information to be sugar coated or omitted? (i.e. are you someone whose mind cannot handle complexity & disturbing information and is happy and content to just follow directions to reap the communal benefits?)

Hi Piperson, I didn't know about home rule, but will have to research it more.  Where are you planning to get land?  Have you read Diana Leafe Christian's books?  In terms of community, I've thought about NH (libertarian/fewer rules), NC (temperate rainforest west of Asheville), and really anywhere in Appalachia.  I'm still trying to figure out the exact topography that I'd want... something with enough slope to support tree crops and pond-irrigation, but with pastures and some tillable land.  The goal would be to mix food forests with silvopasture, for a meat and veggie-based diet.

I've visited Earth Haven, Acorn, and Burning Man, and I like reading about tribal cultures and anthropology to better understand how to structure human communities.  Some of the biggest issues seem to revolve around conflict resolution, business planning/financial management, and proper boundary setting.  I've also read about cult characteristics, which shed light on some toxic groups I've dealt with.  I also like reading Paul's stuff here, and some of the other forum members who have lived in community for a long time.

Hello Josh Garbo,

Yes we are aware of Diana Leafe Christian.  She's not saying anything new.  The founding fathers of this nation said the same things, but few people bother to read and paid attention their writings.  Even the Holy Scriptures said the same things.  Guess the old saying is true, "Things given freely are not always valued or appreciated".  People would rather go out and pay a lot of money to buy books from various so call enlightened people instead of paying attention to the wisdom of the past for free.  People just rehash the same thing putting on a new label to make it look like they discover something new.  Take this new thing called "consensus decision making", that's just another way of saying democratic decision making.  But people rush out and buy books on it, making the same mistakes all over again.  Democracy only works if the decisions are made with intelligent minds.  If decisions are made by mass of ignorant people, then what you've got is tyranny by the ignorant masses (that's what we see in many 3rd world countries that claim to be a democracy.  It's tyranny of the ignorant masses who are easily manipulated by their Dictators).  Democracy is more than just voting.



"A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives." --  James Madison, letter to W.T. Barry, August 4, 1822

"If a nation expects to be ignorant — and free — in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." --  Thomas Jefferson, letter to Colonel Charles Yancey, January 6, 1816

This is the very reason why many commune and utopia groups have failed.  Lack of knowledge.  A community is more than just a bunch people growing food and cohabiting in the same space.  People need knowledge of how to organize and manage the community.  How to hold the community together in the long run.  A nation is just a scale up version of a community, therefore the same principles that apply to the organization, management, and holding together & stabilizing the nation applies to the community level.  This knowledge is freely available from our founding fathers.

There are two type of leaderships.  Constructive and destructive leadership.  All cults operate with destructive leadership.  Therefore, by being able to distinguish between these two type of leaderships, one will always be able to avoid joining a cult or prevent a cult from infiltrating and taking over a community.  

The reason why many communities are always dealing with issues around conflict resolution is because they did not take the time to select for people of like-mind to join them.  If you have people of like-mind, there would be no disagreement, ergo no conflict.  When you dangle a prize like a piece of land for example, you end up attracting people who want the prize but not necessarily share your same vision.  They will say whatever you want to hear in order to get access to the prize.  Thus, you end up with people who do not actually share your vision but have different intention, so conflicts naturally arises.  That is why we don't dangle a prize, we select for people who share our vision.  In the absent of a prize, those who do not share our vision will not be motivated to join.  A good engineer/creator prevents problems instead of chasing after & trying to fix them.  It is better to prevent cancer than to try and cure cancer.

I didn't see where the property is,or will be.

I wish this thread hadn't died. Despite no desire to participate in the discussion, I am really interested to see where she was taking this whole idea...

-WY

@Mike Patterson

Who said this thread died?  The project is very well active and ongoing.

Love it

Contact m
Dontdewcriz@gmail.com

Piperson Terra wrote:@Mike Patterson

Who said this thread died?  The project is very well active and ongoing.

The "thread" refers to the conversation happening on this forum, not the project itself. When it's been over 6 months from your last post and no replies to the most recent comment the thread would appear to be dead. That's not to say it can't be revived, so let's get this party started back up!

What are the latest updates on your project?

Thanks,
-WY

Hello Mike,

Mike Patterson wrote:What are the latest updates on your project?

The project is proceeding as planned.  This reply is meant to show that the thread is not dead, and we do reply to people.

How many people do you have? I'm just wondering if it's yourself and your family or if there are many non-related people already in. Is there a financial cost to joining?

Hi Dale,

Our community adopt a communal family model instead of the nuclear family model, to ensure success and long term stability.  Thus from our perspective, there is no such thing as non-related people.  We are all related since we are from the same species, and from the same gene pool.  As communal family members, we do not charge each others.  We work together as one body to meet our needs and overcome unfolding challenges & obstacles.  Thus, there is no financial cost to join.  For examples, the Amish do not charge each others for raising each others' barns.  The Mayflower colonists that landed in America did not charge each others.  They work as one body to build their community from the ground up; creating all the necessary infrastructures to meet their needs.

Why is THIS calling too me??? I have been looking for a way to live off the land! I have been looking to buy my own land but I know I would feel so alone if to do so by myself! I'm definitely not wanting to do it here in Florida with all this over population of technology! I KNOW ITS HARMFUL!!! A much simpler life of hard work and dedication to the land, and to the people of the community with faith sounds blissful! Not working for a j.o.b. just to keep a box over our head and have nothing to show for.... I can go on and on about how this would be a blessing! I've actually already started gathering and using container gardening and seeds and thing's, solar equipment, building materials, stocking up on food and supplies ECT, just for this! I'm new to this thread but thank God there are others that want this way of LIFE! You all give me hope and knowledge that I'm not alone and it can be done! Building shelter in the ground very cheaply is kinda how I found this permies site!

Is this place still involved in the beautiful act of cohabitation?

Not judging anything or anyone but pointing out some potential pitfalls. “Communities” have the potential to form into cult-like entities where people with high degree of narcissistic tendencies might abuse people of lower narcissistic tendencies. Personally I would always have a plan B and and a escape route before “joining” any alternative communities. Having being burned myself and losing  a lot of money personally I’d also suggest having a “iron clad” legal structure with financial protection mechanisms. In other words get everything in writing. Then perhaps one can go into a alternative scenario with a level playing field. I would imagine that Diana Leaf Christian and other community writers have suggested as much and more. Not trying to be relevant or a naysayer but feel it’s my duty to suggest caution and patience when entering any alternative scenarios. Does one really know who one is dealing with? I now try and know my “friends” for 20 years prior to getting involved in any business with them. Personally, I’ve read some of what I’d consider “red flags” to me on several postings and links. I don’t think it’s the Permies responsibility to edit or police everything and that due diligence by the individual is warranted. Having said that best wishes finding your happy place in this world and permaculture.

Hey Piperson Terra.

Love the name. We are also building communities and buying land around the country.

It seems we share a fair amount of perspectives or creeds.

Do you have an email you can be reached at? Maybe we will team up in some way.

Jeremy Baker wrote: Not judging anything or anyone but pointing out some potential pitfalls. “Communities” have the potential to form into cult-like entities where people with high degree of narcissistic tendencies might abuse people of lower narcissistic tendencies. Personally I would always have a plan B and and a escape route before “joining” any alternative communities. Having being burned myself and losing  a lot of money personally I’d also suggest having a “iron clad” legal structure with financial protection mechanisms. In other words get everything in writing. Then perhaps one can go into a alternative scenario with a level playing field. I would imagine that Diana Leaf Christian and other community writers have suggested as much and more. Not trying to be relevant or a naysayer but feel it’s my duty to suggest caution and patience when entering any alternative scenarios. Does one really know who one is dealing with? I now try and know my “friends” for 20 years prior to getting involved in any business with them. Personally, I’ve read some of what I’d consider “red flags” to me on several postings and links. I don’t think it’s the Permies responsibility to edit or police everything and that due diligence by the individual is warranted. Having said that best wishes finding your happy place in this world and permaculture.

Thank you Jeremy. My sentiments exactly. So far this is what we have: A bunch of canned feel good phrases about why this particular commune is above all others, some Scripture thrown in out of context, no address, land, website or other identifying information, photos of scantily clad women posing in "communal" caravan type dwellings, the anti-family pro cult "good for all" statements, and finally, the bottom line:

THIS IS A CULT!!!

I woud not dismiss all such calls for joining in community with being suspicious of it, as there is need for such to form. I want to live in sustainable ways, which cannot be pursued in urban areas such as here where I am, with limited funds that do not help for changing this on my own, and a community to join not requiring such funds that I or a number of others would not have is needed. It would be with doing what we can do to be a part of such. Certainly it should not be with strangers not met with before, and there should be plenty of communication preceding this, for all the cases besides where family and neighbors who know each other already pool what they have, for this apart from urban living and becoming independent from civilization with the sustainable ways there. I see the way with growing a lot of things for what is needed for food and everything is valuable for this. I would be eating just all things for food from the plants grown, and there won't be so much of demand from that way. And the way of living in a spiritual way with kindness, compassion, and love is very right, but how can it be made sure all just live that way?