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Hi,

Edit: I found the original picture:
https://permaculturenews.org/2012/06/21/veg-design-solutions-part-one-the-chicken-fox-filter/


Anyone tested it? Does it work with muscovies as well?

Sometimes there are ideas which sound nice but don't work, so I wonder...
 
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This might be an obvious question, but what use would ducks have for an underwater passage? Couldn't they, you know, swim across? Wouldn't it be much simpler to locate the duck coop on a tiny island, natural or purpose-built (after the manner of chinampas), and have the pond be their moat?

It sounds like it's the foxes that would need an underwater passage.

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I am not sure to get your question.
The goal is to have a passage for ducks into an area where the fox don't have access.

If you have a large pond, yes, it is great to keep the ducks safe. But if you have only a small one, then, if it works, the bucket underwater passage yould be great. Did you check out the link?
 
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Nice idea you linked to Hans!  I don't have ducks with my chickens so it doesn't apply but I love how it is a simple way to work with the capabilities of all three critters (chickens, ducks, fox)
 
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Sorry, I tried the link before the fix.

The way it is phrased suggests a passage or tunnel under water, not to me what is pictured in the link.

This idea is interesting. Do foxes not swim at all?

Also, how would this be implemented on a mobile tractor system? As in, where in the design is the room for at least a wading pool's depth underneath what would otherwise be a ground-level opening? Does this entail making a raised floor before the opening? And will the depth of a kiddy pool be enough to stop foxes?

I like the idea, but it might also prove complicated. I hope to see more.

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Every day we enjoyed watching proteinaceous slugs and snails being converted into delicious eggs in front of our eyes. But, as foxes were rife, each evening we would manually pick up the ducks and put them in the chook tractor to sleep with the chooks. The next morning we would then manually lift the ducks out of the chook tractor and place them in the vegie garden where they could do what they do best. This got to be a pain in the bum, and we wanted to know if we could eliminate it, such that we could sleep in if we wanted to and stay out late without having to worry.




So to image what the article is talking about there needs to be some pictures for those that might not want to go to the article.  

At night the chicken and ducks are safely inside the tractor.

Early Morning, ducks swim out before the chickens come down from their roost.

During the day the chicken do their work inside the tractor.

Evening, the chickens go to roost and the ducks swim back inside for the night.





 
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In the link the lady has a circular chicken pen that she moves from spot to spot in her garden.  If those spots all circled about a wading pool, then she could move it and the ducks could still come and go via the same pool.  Basically the tractor movement would need to be aligned with a series of wading pools or a long waterway (ditch) of some sort.
 
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Too bad weasels can swim.
 
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But would weasels dive into dirty water? Would they figure out something the fox cannot?
 
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This may be a stupid question, but I don't have ducks, so I'll ask.  Can ducks figure out they need to swim underwater to get out of the pen, and then know enough to come back in at night?  
 
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They can figure it out, but you have to train them by adding a bit water each day till the level reaches the top and they have to dive.
 
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Cool idea. Interesting concept. It just might work if there's a way to keep the honey badgers out. Ya' don't want to mess with honey badgers.
 
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