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online calendar with 13 months of 28 days?

 
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This topic might be outside of permies niche, but I'm hoping that someone here will be able to help me out.
I want to start using the Human Calendar (or International Fixed Calendar). This is a calendar that has 13 months of 28 days (4 7-day weeks), totaling 364 days (with the first day of the year as day 0: total 365 days). It would have logistical benefits over the messy Gregorian calendar, and also be in tune with natural rhythms (both lunar and solar cycle).
I could make a calendar and print it out, but I'd prefer a digital version which I can edit like Google Agenda or so. I can't find an online version of this calendar, and can't find an online calendar in which I can edit the number of months per year and number of days per month... I could use excel, but that's still kinda messy...

Does anybody know an online calendar that I can customize to this level; or know a program in which I could make it from scratch??
 
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MC Word is probably best for this. They do have calendars in templates, but you can also delete stuff easily like extra days and trim months down to 28 days. How would you name the months though?
 
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Tatiana Trunilina wrote:MC Word is probably best for this. They do have calendars in templates, but you can also delete stuff easily like extra days and trim months down to 28 days. How would you name the months though?



What's MC Word? When I google it I get 'Microsoft Word' and 'Mac Word'...

Not sure yet about the names of the months. Couple of possiblities:
-number from 0-12   (=Human calendar)
-number from 1-13
-January -> June - Sol - July -> December   (=International fixed calendar)
-Archimedes, Brahe, Copernicus, Darwin, Einstein, Faraday, Galileo, Hippocrates, Imhotep, Jung, Kepler, Lavoisier, and Mendel           (=Tranquility calendar)
 
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Even if it is messy, Excel (or some sort of database engine) will be needed to make the calendar perpetual and to add events and appointments. You'll still need a routine for adding an extra day every 4 years. Then you'll need a program to put the data into a calendar format for display.
 
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Mark Kissinger wrote:Even if it is messy, Excel (or some sort of database engine) will be needed to make the calendar perpetual and to add events and appointments. You'll still need a routine for adding an extra day every 4 years. Then you'll need a program to put the data into a calendar format for display.



Any suggestions for a program I could use for displaying from an Excel database?
 
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The names are still heavily Euro-centric. I'm sure with a bit of thought that a more globally-inspired list of names could be considered.

I do like the idea of a middle month, which could actually be longer to add in the exact "remainder-hours" needed to keep the calendar in sync with the Earth's orbit and the Earth's rotation." Since the orbit is not perfectly circular, there is always some amount of speeding up and slowing down of the perceived planetary motions.

In theory, you could have a variable-length 'sync minute' between each day to account for the "human" need for repeating calendars.
 
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Philippe Elskens wrote:

Mark Kissinger wrote:Even if it is messy, Excel (or some sort of database engine) will be needed to make the calendar perpetual and to add events and appointments. You'll still need a routine for adding an extra day every 4 years. Then you'll need a program to put the data into a calendar format for display.



Any suggestions for a program I could use for displaying from an Excel database?



Something should be possible in SQL, or whatever they're using these days. You are essentially populating a grid with words and numbers.

There are probably astronomical databases around that keep track of where the Earth is, but they are built to use the Gregorian calendars, I think.
 
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Fast Facts:
Lakota Moon Calendar
Each year has 13 moons.
Each moon is 28 days long.
Each day represents a sacred part of Native American culture.
Nearly all tribal calendars begin in spring.
Every three years, an additional moon is added to the calendar

http://aktalakota.stjo.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8991

what about native American names for the months or a seasonal calendar?

at the bottom of this page is a free pocket or download of a moon calendar.
https://lawoftime.org/thirteenmoon/tutorial.html

heres something that might be of help-template
https://abohmza.com/37-13-month-calendar/13-month-calendar-welcome-to-the-creators-calendar-the-creators-calendar/
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That moon calendar is awesome! Thanks! So logical and convenient!


Philippe Elskens wrote:

Tatiana Trunilina wrote:MC Word is probably best for this. They do have calendars in templates, but you can also delete stuff easily like extra days and trim months down to 28 days. How would you name the months though?



What's MC Word? When I google it I get 'Microsoft Word' and 'Mac Word'...

Not sure yet about the names of the months. Couple of possiblities:
-number from 0-12   (=Human calendar)
-number from 1-13
-January -> June - Sol - July -> December   (=International fixed calendar)
-Archimedes, Brahe, Copernicus, Darwin, Einstein, Faraday, Galileo, Hippocrates, Imhotep, Jung, Kepler, Lavoisier, and Mendel           (=Tranquility calendar)



Microsoft Word
 
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Quick update:
I've made an excel file with a calendar (if anyone is interested, I could send it to you) and so far it works great! I've added 5 categories in which I want to improve and everyday I make myself do something in each category and write down the progress. Could be as little as a 10 meditation in category 'spiritual' or 10 pull-ups in 'physical health' or sending an email or doing some research in 'construction house', but it has to be more than 0, everyday, in every category. Keeping track in this calendar really helps me meet my goals
 
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Always looking for good templates for stuff like this. Please, post the Exel File. You can export it and post as an 'authored' template. ;)
 
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Tadaa...

Let me know if you have any suggestions!
Obviously there's a lot of room for personalisation
 
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Mark Kissinger wrote:Always looking for good templates for stuff like this. Please, post the Exel File. You can export it and post as an 'authored' template. ;)



Hmm, I thought I had posted the template, but it doesn't seem to want to upload .xls files. How should I do this exactly :$
 
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moon calendar lunar phase
I made this interactive moon calendar for voice - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T8XYMCY
I'm really looking for feedback on how to make it better, what cool stuff to include in it, sources of information, etc.! Especially relating to lunar gardening, nutrition according to moon phases, and people's experiences.
Thank you for your replies :)
 
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I just started a thread about this idea in the Spirituality forum, and this one then came up as a suggested similar thread. Glad to see that others are aware of this.
 
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I am online looking for a planner that I can adapt to this same format!!

It makes so much sense!

I’ve been budgeting this way now for three months and love it!

 
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This string made me laugh.

It's a perfectly great idea, as logical ideas go. Completely the opposite of what I was compelled to do when moving off-grid though, which was throw away all my calendars and clocks. I just kept a journal of weather and blooms and bug populations (etc) to track the yearly cycle.

The interesting bit - which would be the same for the 13 month format - was syncing up with other people.
 
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It still will not deal with the fractional days where the lunar and solar cycles do not match up.  Why not just develop one after the Antikythera Mechanism (see:  
 ).  I wish I could find an online calendar which would convert the day/time (location) to the  Antikythera Mechanism's calendar.  That would be perfectly beautifully useless and wonderful!  
 
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Ok, interesting thread, but the OP, Philippe Elskens, wrote 'tadaa' in response to the request to post the Excel file, but there is no file, and in his next post, he asks how to upload the file. Apparently, nobody told him how to upload. I know there is an 'Attachments' button, but I have yet to use it. Is that not the way the OP should have been instructed to upload?
 
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I have been working on a reworked calendar and publishing it moonthly in The Homestead Journal.  Here is this moonths:  



The moon placement is based upon True Sidereal Astrology in which the constellations are asymmetric and map more accurately to the sky.  You can read more about True Sidereal Astrology here.  

For those that are curious, these are the sun signs in True Sidereal:

 
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While we’re changing that let’s fix another issue too- time. My kids always wonder why 60 for seconds and minutes. Why not go to decimal time- 100 seconds per minute, 100 minutes per hour, 10 hours a day. I believe it works out close to that antiquated system we’re all not used to. Just a thought.  Tom
 
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To add more "evidence" that this is the way to go. I haven't checked my own turtle yet. I might later.
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Julie Anne wrote:To add more "evidence" that this is the way to go. I haven't checked my own turtle yet. I might later.

 
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I've spent a few years tinkering with a 'more accurate' calendar than the standard. I have found that the tools for fantasy authors are often useful for such endeavors as well. As such, you might consider this fantasy calendar generator. While it's built to handle things like extra moons and such, nothing keeps you from just plugging earth information in and having it spit out a fully functional calendar for you without having to rework something like Excel.

Fantasy Calendar Website
 
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Melissa Bracy wrote:This string made me laugh.

It's a perfectly great idea, as logical ideas go. Completely the opposite of what I was compelled to do when moving off-grid though, which was throw away all my calendars and clocks. I just kept a journal of weather and blooms and bug populations (etc) to track the yearly cycle.

The interesting bit - which would be the same for the 13 month format - was syncing up with other people.


Melissa, if it wasn't for appointments and meetings with other people, I think I would love to live without clocks and calenders, only watching the 'phenomenology' of nature!
 
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Could any body possibly tell me how I'd work out my real date of birth from this ..I ve had no interest in  tech and find myself way over my head .could any body please suggest how I go about it ..
 
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