This is a very long, very thorough, and fascinating interview with a scientist who began studying Autism and found links to glyphosate. Which includes the link to vaccines The discussion rambles around through a mountain of health science and evidence that glyphosate is causing most of our health issues today. Permies have all had a general idea of the dangers of glyphosate but this taught me how utterly pervasive and dangerous it is to our bodies. She has some recommendations for detox and to fight it (infrared sauna, herbs, methylfolate supplements...) but other than completely banning it I come away with the feeling I just need to leave the United States. Not sure where it's safe.
Nowhere is truly safe, Susan. That's why the detox.
They even use it in the forestry industry, to keep down competing growth in the monocrop they prefer for wood pulp and paper products.
My much better half's brother-in-law is a forester. I have discussed it with him, and he, along with much of the industry, is content with the two-day half life figure (which is actually the low-end of the measurement; the highest half life estimate is something like 197 days).
Our best hope is to outlast it. It is currently becoming less and less effective as nature catches up and breeds glyphosate-resistant strains, meaning that the mounting costs of increasingly larger applications that are less effective year after year look less appealing to farmers than alternative management practices.
This can either mean more toxic sprays, or management practices more in line with what permaculturalists consider acceptable.
The chemical industry has been freaking out about how rapidly target species have been adapting to their golden child of sprays for a decade already, and lawsuits have been launched regarding the use of an old pesticide from the 70s that vapourises in the summer heat and goes visiting. Their next-generation spray is no where near ready yet, or they'd be talking it up already.
I would guess that the overuse of it as a dessicant, rather than just at "need" to knock down "weed" species, has played a large part in species' rapid adaptation.
I think it important to avoid hysteria. Let's instead get really familiar with mushroom slurries and growing our own food in our own carefully nurtured soil. If the target weed species can evolve to the point where they can disregard glyphosate, I am sure that fungi will step up to break it down eventually.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
I have always been pretty complacent when it came to this stuff; heck I even defended and grew Round-Up Ready corn on my own land, yes even going so far as to allow it to be sprayed.
In an ironic twist of fate, I always thought that my cancers (yes, plural) came from my numerous low-dose radiation bouts from being a welder where my welds were often x-rayed for no-destructive testing. Then my father was diagnosed with a tumor on his Pituitary Gland as well. Considering only 400 people a year out of a country of 300 million get this, something was up. Obviously it was hereditary. Having done (2) tours in Vietnam on Riverboats, he was subjected to (6) direct dosing's of Agent Orange and th Vetran's Administration attributes his health concerns to it, as well as for me.
Round Up is NOT Agent Orange, but the two were effective as herbicides because they work through genetic make up to kill the host they were applied too. They are similiar...
Since Agent Orange will not only affect my father, me, but also my kids, and up to (5) generations of us, it boggles the mind that it is still being sprayed.
But shame on me for defending them too. :-(
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Yes of course I agree with everything you've said Chris. But the vast majority of our society are completely unsuspecting, or don't have farms to grow their own food, or the money to buy organics (which still likely might be tainted from over-spray or contaminated waterrunoff). My comment about being doomed is sincere whimpering due to the enormity of the contamination and the deniers and corrupted EPA... ..I guess I watch too much independent media. I admire people like Paul Wheaton who persevere in the crusade to clean up our act. What also impacted me, if you watch the whole video, are the specific ways that glyphosates disrupt our natural immune systems, and metabolic processes. She talks about Roundup resistance so Monsanto is coming up with a COMBINATION of chemicals to beat that This video might be helpful to some people who are suffering from various chronic diseases. It's also just fascinating to learn the science of endocrine disrupters and other 12 syllable biology concepts (being a science dummy myself).
We all need to do more to expose the influence of Monsanto and Big Pharma.
Travis we all are influenced by our backgrounds, the people we are surrounded with, and just life in general getting in the way of critical thinking about every little thing! Please don't shame yourself. I only learned about Roundup 4 years ago after using it liberally in my urban landscape. 20 years ago I trusted our government and big businesses to do the right thing. Now- I'm very cautious about trusting any business. Dr. Seneff does mention agent orange briefly towards the end - as being in the same class as Roundup. Other smart doctors I've watched believe that DNA pre-disposes someone to a certain disease but that's only under certain conditions, and there's a lot of evidence that nutrients via diet and supplements are very effective in preventing/minimizing/treating diseases, and repairing DNA damage caused by environmental toxins, I can share some other sources of info for anyone who's intereseted :)
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My strategy, is that if I'm being exposed to an anti-biotic, then a remedial action is to eat more microbes. More kim-chi, more sour cream, more saurkraut, more wine, more vinegar, more unwashed vegetables, more dirt.
As an autistic person, I am very suspicious of any idea that is in any way connected to the alleged link between vaccines and autism. I just don't see any evidence. The Autism Omnibus Trial, I thought, should have laid the matter to rest: the footage from before the child was vaccinated showed her already exhibiting early autistic traits, which the psychologist saw even though her inexperienced, first-time parents did not.
I look at it this way: if you want to find the cause of a medical condition, what you need to do is make comparisons. What do autistic kids have in common, that is DIFFERENT from what non-autistic kids have in common? By analogy, consider the deficiency disease scurvy. We know scurvy is caused by a deficiency of vitamin C because (1) all patients with scurvy are found to be deficient in vitamin C, AND no patients without scurvy are found to be deficient; and (2) vitamin C cures scurvy, AND nothing else does. Without these comparisons, we are likely to fall into the logical fallacy known as post hoc ergo propter hoc, that is, wrongly assuming that because event B occurred shortly after event A, that event A must have caused event B. In the etiology of autism, the most obvious and distressing symptoms happen to become visible around the age when children are normally being vaccinated; some parents seized on this coincidence in timing, and the antivax movement was born.
Jason Hernandez wrote:the footage from before the child was vaccinated showed her already exhibiting early autistic traits, which the psychologist saw even though her inexperienced, first-time parents did not.
Absolultely agree with this. I'm on the spectrum too, as is my son and many of my friends and their kids. I can see the genetic link clearly - plus a lot of us are hyper sensitive to drugs and medications of all kinds. I can quite imagine that young kids who are on the spectrum but not diagnosed would react badly to vaccines and this might trigger a diagnosis. Which would seem like a lot of people to imply that the vaccine caused it, even though it's hard-wired in before birth.
I suspect that if kids could be diagnosed earlier, then a lot of bad vaccine reactions could be avoided.