paul wheaton wrote: Then he gets started on autism connection to vaccines. This again?
I stopped watching it. I've heard this crap a hundred times before.
He started talking about scientific method: try lots and lots of stuff and see what works. Well, a lot of people tried the vaccines and had problems that were serious enough that they are shying away. Show a little respect for the numbers.
The top ten chemicals thought to be associated with both autism and learning disorders in children:
* Organophosphate pesticides
* Organochlorine pesticides
* Endocrine disruptors
* Automotive exhaust
* Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
* Brominated flame retardants
* Perfluorinated compounds
"It's time to start looking for the environmental culprits responsible for the remarkable increase in the rate of autism in California," Dr. Irva Hertz-Picciotto, an epidemiology professor at the University of California, Davis MIND Institute, has said. Those culprits, she said, might lie "in the microbial world and in the chemical world."
Temple Grandin wrote: Grandin: There is a strong genetic basis (into the causes of autism). And "environmental insults" now are highly suspected. For example, a higher incidence has been discovered among children living closer to freeways.
Finally, we are going to be hearing a good deal more about vaccines, seizure disorders, and autism as a "residual sequela" of the injury. Maybe vaccines can't cause autism, as the government says, but they can cause complex seizures.
And complex seizures, "during early postnatal development may alter synaptic plasticity and contribute to learning and behavioral disorders" in certain types of children, said one recent study. "Early life seizures may produce a variety of cellular and molecular changes in hippocampus that may contribute to the enhanced risk of IDDs and ASDs in patients with early life seizures and epilepsy."
That study did not link vaccine-induced complex seizures to residual sequelae. But the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has many cases of normally developing children who developed seizure disorders and "encephalopathy" (brain disease) following vaccination.
"This pattern is seen frequently in vaccine cases. An otherwise healthy petitioner receives a vaccination, the vaccine causes a fever, which in turn causes or triggers a complex febrile seizure," one VICP special master wrote in ruling that the DTaP vaccine "was the legal cause of (the child's) seizure disorder and developmental delay."
Some children who suffer from vaccine-induced complex seizures go on to suffer from "developmental delay," "behavioral problems," "affective disorders," "mild mental retardation" and other residual sequelae, VICP records show. Some of them also develop an ASD, and some now get government funds to pay for things such as applied behavioral analysis (ABA), a treatment used mostly for ASD.
In early 2009, a child in rural Minnesota died from meningitis caused by the bacteria Haemophilus influenzae. His parents had refused to vaccinate him against the disease. Four other children were hospitalized with the exact same disease. Two of those were also children of parents who had refused vaccines. The fourth was a 5-month-old baby who was just too young to have been completely immunized. The fifth was a child who has an immune deficiency.
This year, in my home state of California, more than 900 cases of whooping cough have been recorded so far, up from around 200 last year. Five children have died.
Reports of elevated autism rates among children of immigrants are nothing new. A small study this year showed that Swedish-born children of Somali immigrants to that country were far more likely to have autism than the general population, (Somalis there call autism the "Swedish Disease"), and another small study in 1995 found an autism rate of 15% among children in one Swedish town born to mothers from Uganda - 200 times more than the national average.
Peony Jay wrote:Interview of Dr. Sydney Finegold and the link between gut flora and autism. Read about "Regressive Autism"
Dale Hodgins wrote: But mental health is still a medical thing. We freely discuss which foods may help or hurt our hearts, livers and other parts. The brain is one of those parts.
paul wheaton wrote:I *REALLY* don't want this site to be about this sort of thing.
paul wheaton wrote:Here is one story. I know a woman with a boy who went in to get his shot. He was a chatty boy. Got the shot and didn't talk for 18 months. Autism.
I have met two other women who have told me similar stories.
P Thickens wrote: Children have been dying because they weren't vaccinated, especially here in California.
Julia Winter wrote:Here's a first person account: I had a little baby shipped to my hospital in an ambulance with pertussis. Amish family--no immunizations. 5 older siblings had the disease and suffered greatly (another name for whooping cough is the 100 day cough) but they're going to be o.k. The baby died.
Here's another first person account: my father has lower limb weakness from polio contracted as a child.
I have heard many second hand stories about shots causing autism, but I have no first hand experience. I have cared for hundreds (at least) of kids with autism and I've never been given this story or found it in their medical record. I do remember a kid with a muscle cancer. Her family was fixated on a bicycle accident as the cause of the cancer. Our oncology attending said that the cancer was already present and may have contributed to the fall, but the family had the cause and effect turned around in their heads and nothing could dissuade them from this. We are story telling primates. We take what we see and we look for the narrative.
Most kids with autism are identifiable (by an expert) even at very young ages, but there are some where the child seems to lose communication skills. This type tends to show up in the toddler years, which are also a time of vaccinations. I can see how a connection is easily drawn from a bad day when you held your kid against his will as mean people stuck him with needles. . . to a change in your child. Much energy has been spent trying to establish that connection. First it was MMR, then it was mercury preservatives. (I'm actually glad that we've stopped using the preservative, although we are now generating a whole lot more plastic waste with all of the single use vials.)
I wish we would spend our energy looking at the toxins in all of our bodies (phthalates, anyone?) that are more likely to be the culprit. I'm actually more worried about the plastic vials than what is in them. (My husband has donated platelets for years, but is beginning to note fatigue afterwards. I wonder if it is the plastic residues he must be having injected into his body with all that single use plastic tubing. FYI when you donate platelets, they pull the blood out of your body, run it through a machine that harvests platelet, and the run it back through you via a second IV.)
In his penetrating and thought-provoking book Columbus and Other Cannibals, Professor Forbes points out how Wétiko, which he calls a "highly-contagious form of mental illness," originated in Mesopotamia around 5,000 years ago. From there, it spread across the fertile crescent and into Syria, eventually infecting northern Africa, Europe (via the Roman conquerors who carried Wétiko), Asia, and, with the arrival of Columbus, the Americas.
The Bantu-speaking farmers of northwest Africa, culturally contaminated by Wétiko beliefs in the "correctness" of genocide, systematically spread across the entire African continent over a 2,000-year period, destroying every group in their path. The result is that now fewer than one percent of the entire African continent's population are hunter/gatherers, and the languages and cultures of thousands of tribes--developed over 200,000 years of human history--have been lost forever. Entire ethnic groups were wiped out and have now vanished from the Earth.
Ben Plummer wrote:I'm so glad you're here at permies Dale, your posts are always entertaining and enlightening. I too, in later life, have had it suggested that I might be an Aspergers case. Damn sure if I were a kid in school now I'd be drugged all to hell. Your description of your school years may as well be my own, except for the wringing of necks, never been in a fight. Later on, I learned some call it the zero aggression principle, no one messed with me, so I messed with no one. There were only two "teachers" who I learned anything from. They were good friends and never lasted long at any school as they were too smart and subversive but they would always end up working at the same school. I learned a very different story of American history from them.
It is frustrating to have a nephew whose parents consider autistic, even though a couple of neurologists have told them he's not. I know he's smart enough to survive them but it is going to be a long road.
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