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When I first came around permies in 2015, I'd probably only cut down 4-5 trees in my life.  Now, 8 years later, I find myself managing a 100-acre woodlot.  I have learned a lot, dropped a lot of trees, and had very few close calls, thankfully.
But there is still wisdom on Permies that I had yet to discover until writing this post!

Cutting down trees can be a path to an early grave - but with proper care and preparation, it needn't be so harrowing.  This is an important thing!  So I'm dedicating this thread to the topic of safely cutting down trees.  Let's start at the beginning.  To cut or not to cut, that is the question:

https://permies.com/t/3066/cutting-trees



If you haven't experience a pinched chainsaw yet, it's only a matter of time.  Here's a cool method to avoid such an occurrence:

https://permies.com/t/54691/Headache-free-precision-tree-falling



Leaning tree?  There are ways to take care of that safely.

https://permies.com/t/135869/Cutting-leaning-trees



You usually don't need special tools to safely drop a tree, but sometimes they can help.  I've used ropes, pulleys, straps, winches, and tractors - but never the timbertool.  Lots of opinions out there, but it seems like if you know the basics of tree-cutting, it can be helpful.

https://permies.com/t/24998/timbertool-tree-jack



If you need some safe tree drops under your belt, maybe work on the follow PEP badge bits to build confidence while you get a feel for it:

https://permies.com/wiki/99631/dead-tree-chainsaw
https://permies.com/wiki/99537/dead-tree-bow
https://permies.com/wiki/30/99576/live-tree-chainsaw
https://permies.com/wiki/99571/live-tree-bow
https://permies.com/wiki/100730/limb-trees



There is certainly a lot more to say about safety when working with trees.  What other safety guidance should be covered here?  
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These are the things I have been made to understand by other, more experienced men:

Look up, not at the saw/cut. Of course you have to do both but the danger is coming from above. Look up more than down. Look up after every wedge bang!

Take your time, the tree isn't going anywhere until you make it. Make deliberate, accurate cuts.

Use wedges so you are in total control of your tree. Also, it really sucks when you are cut up to the limit of your hinge and you don't have a wedge. Leaving a tree like that is bad.

A wedge loosely placed in the backcut will tell you what a tree is doing. If it lifts up, tree is setting back. If it slips out, tree is going over.

And the ever popular, get away from the stump! It's cool to watch trees fall but do it after you get away to your safe zone and look up! You have time to do both, trees fall slow.

 
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Here is an excellent video on a number of notch cutting techniques.  Most of us only need to know a couple of these...



Felling videos from well known chainsaw manufacturers are also good, as are the British Columbia felling videos.
 
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Good post!

I'll check out the links when I have more time.

I watched a vid once where the 1st step after starting the saw and allowing it to warm-up is to use it to clear all around the base of the tree and make your escape route, instead of going right in to the felling cut - this way you will have a clear path to retreat to with no trip hazards once the tree starts going over. Also less likely to have any surprise flying debris from the falling tree hitting and snapping apart nearby smaller trees/bushes.

I'll bet that's in a link you posted tho :)
 
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Mike Haasl wrote:Here is an excellent video on a number of notch cutting techniques.  Most of us only need to know a couple of these...



If you watch the video on YouTube you may see that one of the skilled arborists sharing his knowledge was just killed a month ago, in an unexpected way while working. You can also find a GoFundMe page to help his wife and two young daughters: Jed James Walters.
 
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Yeah I actually saw that. It speaks to the point of this thread because that guy was demonstrably one of the best tree guys out there and he got it unexpectedly even after doing everything right. That one might be the most hard hitting death of someone I never met that I have ever experienced. The guy was not only the best tree cutter I found on Youtube but he was also an old school skater for World? So crazy. Super sad too. Jed was a stud.

 
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Man, that is super sad.  He really knew his stuff, too.  

Can't be too safe.
 
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