new category: the cider press

Please remember, there's a moderate set of troublesome topics that belong only in the Cider Press.

People with permies pie and enough apples can post in cider press - a good way of keeping away trolls......

and if you feel strongly about a subject (we call them 'hot button' topics) that's a good indication that cider press is the place for discussion.

I can sure empathize with North Americans these days - it seems to me as if politics is worming its way into every nook and cranny!

But remember folks, the only safe place to discuss things involving politics is the Cider Press. As Nancy said above, let's keep the trolls away from this wonderful permaculture site.

Apparently 'climate change' is still a contentious subject - cider press only, thanks!