Win a copy of Straw Bale Building Details this week in the Straw Bale House forum!
  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education experiences global resources the cider press projects digital market permies.com private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Nicole Alderman
  • r ranson
  • paul wheaton
  • Anne Miller
  • Mike Jay
  • Jocelyn Campbell
stewards:
  • Devaka Cooray
  • Burra Maluca
  • Joseph Lofthouse
garden masters:
  • Dave Burton
  • Greg Martin
gardeners:
  • Mike Barkley
  • Shawn Klassen-Koop
  • Pearl Sutton

Gutter drainage to pond.  RSS feed

 
Posts: 4
1
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hi,  I've been reading all the posts and love all the information that is gathered here.  But I couldn't quite find what i was looking for, and I was curious if anyone else has achieved this task.  
What im looking to do is send my water from the roof down the drain spout, into drainage tubes to carry the rest about 400' and try to create a pond from the rain water wasted.  And try to use it to water my garden.
Just curious for your input.  Thanks
 
master steward
Posts: 4000
Location: Northern WI (zone 4)
967
books food preservation hunting solar trees woodworking
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hi Dain, welcome to permies!  So, is the future pond location downhill from your downspout?  By approximately how many feet?  Getting water to move up hill is harder yet but doable.  

If you have a moderate downhill path, I'd think the easiest way is to bury 4" non-perforated drain tile from the downspout to the pond.  If you want to water things along the way, you could do a series of swales/ditches to allow the water to meander down to the pond.  
 
pioneer
Posts: 121
Location: Piedmont 7a
33
hugelkultur trees woodworking
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hi Dain, that is exactly what I want to do!  Would love to hear from others on their experiences if they have actually done this - am    a bit worried about creating a mud hole if there is no natural spring or creek feeding it.  Plenty of rain here - @44 inches per year on average, so I am sure it would fill, just wondered if it would stagnate between rainfall events without a continuous source of water flowing into it.  
 
Posts: 113
Location: East tn
26
homestead hugelkultur foraging
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Not exactly, but kinda.

I have diverted roof runoff to a swale and planted berry bushes on top and downside. It fills and slowly seeps into the hillside.

Paul's video on world domination gardening was helpful on ideas for swales and ponds.  I had never done it before but after watching, I rented some equipment and my son and I put in three ponds, all currently full.

The one that has a bit of stream running through it is clearest for sure. The second that is full shade had clay soil in the area, holds water so far through hot summer. Added ducks to that area so they keep it stirred up.

The big pond, has no running water source. And it did get a good bit lower (full sun = lots of evaporation) and it had some algeal blooms. It is big enough to catch a breeze which helps keep it stirred. But will have to add lime occasionally to keep ph suboptimal for algae.

So, consider your site carefully as sun, wind, soil, and waterflow will have impact.

Good luck!
 
Dain Parker
Posts: 4
1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Thanks for your input. The elevation level I would say is approximately 15' lower at the destination I want the pond to be. So getting the water there shouldn't be the problem.
It would be like someone said would the water be stagnant. Because of only getting filed with rain water.  And should I do an overflow from the pond into the tree line,  so the ground doesn't get saturated on the low end.  
I will try to get some pictures up of the approximate location.  But due to the snow yesterday it might be a little bit.  
Would one filter at the end of the downspout be could out should another oone be located to gain access to.  I do like the idea of the swales but I'm just not sure where to place them.  Because I plan on doing the piping down my yard behind house,  150' down then im going to be beside my garage (wood side)  then another approximate 250' to the pond.  But it has narrow access to the field then widens out.
Thank you
 
Dain Parker
Posts: 4
1
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
This is the progress I've made so far with a million different projects going on.  
I checked the elevation difference from the house where my gutter will be going to the corner of my garden.  I think im just gonna do 2 55 gallon drum collection system this yearinstead of the pond.  I have located another spring and area for the pond.
Right now im working on getting some piping down the designated spot right now. Here are the pictures of my slow but surely process.
20190505_091950.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20190505_091950.jpg]
Elevation levels, with my drawings
20190505_092414.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20190505_092414.jpg]
Line strung
20190505_092423.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20190505_092423.jpg]
And spray painted
20190505_155946.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20190505_155946.jpg]
Let the digging begin
20190505_160850.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20190505_160850.jpg]
Almost done.
20190505_165549.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20190505_165549.jpg]
Done one section of trench
 
Posts: 725
Location: Bendigo , Australia
24
dog homestead
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I am concerned the pipe diameter you have used will not be bigenough.
Any small blockage will render the system useless.
I would have used at least 90mm solid white / spouting / downpipe.
 
John C Daley
Posts: 725
Location: Bendigo , Australia
24
dog homestead
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Dain, I cannot see from your signature where you are located.
Does it freeze there?
If not why not capture some of that rainwater and let the overflow go to the low spot?
See a paper I wrote about that
Benefits of collecting rainfall
 
pioneer
Posts: 148
Location: nevada zone7
25
books cat chicken fiber arts homestead kids tiny house
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
would it be possible to do something like this?
Dry-creek-bed-as-long-splash-guard.jpg
[Thumbnail for Dry-creek-bed-as-long-splash-guard.jpg]
 
John C Daley
Posts: 725
Location: Bendigo , Australia
24
dog homestead
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Now that is a nice way of doing the job, no erosion, plenty of soakage.
But are there weeds that sneak up and ruin the vista?
 
gardener
Posts: 859
Location: North Georgia / Appalachian mountains , Zone 7A
45
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I've been using my roof water to fill up / top off a small ornamental pond for a few years,  but it is directly in front of the house, so it's just a concrete trough between the two.  
When the pond is full, then the overflow water is directed through plantings directly in front of the house.

As someone else mentioned, the diameter of the pipe you are using might be problematic if you don't have a good screen to keep leaves and other debris out at the beginning.

 
Dain Parker
Posts: 4
1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hello thank you for your comments. I am using that size pipe because I am cleaning up the yard and it was just laying around.  So im trying to make this project as inexpensive as possible.  But i do plan on doing 2 screens before the water goes in, one will be a little larger mesh while the other will be a little smaller.  
Your pebble creek looks beautiful,  but it would defeat the purpose of what I'm trying to accomplish.  I watched several videos on YouTube of upside down rain barrels where the water will fill equally up the pipe as the barrels. And the elevation difference is roughly 21' 2".
Last year I was filing a 55 gallon drum by hose and driving it to the garden.  So im trying to eliminate that.  If it doesn't work I can say I learned something.  Hopefully that's not the case.  
And yes my location is in maine,  so I can't leave the water in the pipe over winter. My plan is to blow the pipe through with air and plug the end of the pipe.
 
Mike Jay
master steward
Posts: 4000
Location: Northern WI (zone 4)
967
books food preservation hunting solar trees woodworking
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Dain Parker wrote:
And yes my location is in maine,  so I can't leave the water in the pipe over winter. My plan is to blow the pipe through with air and plug the end of the pipe.


If at all possible, designing in a drain at the downhill side would save a decent amount of trouble come fall.  Blowing out that big a line is a struggle even with a good sized air compressor.  You have plenty of drop, can you just put a tee at the bottom with a valve to drain?  Luckily that tubing is very tough so if you only get it 80% empty it should be fine...
 
And inside of my fortune cookie was this tiny ad:
Food Forest Card Game - Game Forum
https://permies.com/t/61704/Food-Forest-Card-Game-Game
  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
Boost this thread!