Our Connection to the Energy Field

Can't wait to listen to Andre Edwards talk about nature and our connection to it. I'm happy to see more people becoming aware of the power of nature, and Andre's book, Renewal: "How Nature Awakens Our Creativity, Compassion, and Joy", will open more minds to the natural world we live in.

Welcome to Permies, Susan.

There is a discussion going on in this thread having to do with the physiological effects going outside has on the body in different circumstances.

I'm sure you mean more by your thread title, but for my own part, I consider myself a part of the biosphere, and all living things are electromagnetic in nature, and we all live under the protection of the electromagnetic field that envelopes the earth, so in that sense, at least, I can agree without reservation.

I feel more vital and more creative when I am active outside. I don't see this as mystical, but I do enjoy it and use it to my advantage.

-CK

I wasn't sure how many knew about the field we are all living in so didn't want to say more about it. I'm connecting, or should I say tuning into the field at least once a day with meditation. Its always there most have not tuned in, sad but true…
Being outside barefoot is the BEST!

Howdy Susan, welcome to permies! Like going barefoot? Then you will like this old thread !  HERE

I like the way it feels and it grounds me to the earth since we are electromagnetic beings….Thanks for the link!

What does the electromagnetic field feel like?

Well it feels like energy and you can't really feel your body its inside and outside of you. Look up Dr Joe Dispenza he has a ton of lectures interviews mediations etc that help you connect. Its a skill and takes time to learn but well worth it! I'm doing it to heal my body. I know that might sound nutty, but it's not. Our bodies can heal if we just get out of the way and avoid toxins. Dr Joe has science to back up everything he says and everything that happens at his workshops. They have a week long event in Portland Oregon this coming July but I can't afford to go. He has invited many scientist to these workshops to see for themselves what's going on. The energy field can be measured with the technology we have today. Even Einstein knew about it but they had no way to measure it and he thought it was spooky! Just think of a time when you felt on top of the world or were deeply in love, you feel energized. Or going to an event where you can feel the energy in the room or fighting with someone, you can feel that tension. Its not woo woo at all and believe me I am a huge skeptic, so its easy for me to see its true with all the measurements he uses and I have never heard of anyone complain unless of course they never tried it or read his books on it. When you ground yourself to the earth you become happier and healthier. You won't hear about this in mainstream cause its not profitable to heal people. In todays world especially the US almost half the population has a chronic illness, this is not normal. I'm 62 and when I was young no one ever heard of all these so called diseases we have today and all the allergies etc. All of us should be healthy. Chemicals are everywhere,  the food the air the soil the water and they hand out drugs that do nothing but mask symptoms while the cause is ignored.

The energy field feels like tingling but on steroids

In researching Renewal, I came across the work of Doc Childre from the HeartMath Institute. One of the projects of the institute is the Global Coherence Initiative, which studies the connection between the Earth's magnetic field and our health. The measurements are captured from around the world using magnetometers. One of the objectives is to help our "heart's intuitive guidance." And as Lynnn McTaggart says in her book, The Field, "At our most elemental, we are not a chemical reaction, but an energetic charge. Human beings and all living things are a coalescence of energy in a field of energy connected to every other thing in the world." These two science-based initiatives are exploring our connection to the energy that surrounds us all the time.

Susan Boyce wrote:The energy field feels like tingling but on steroids

Sounds unpleasant.  Don't know if I'd want to be tingling all the time.  I have enough nerve trouble as it is!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MZBn4wsLPQ

You only tingle when you're tuned in and it's not like neuropathy at all, it feels energizing and you don't want it to stop. I have been ill with multiple autoimmune conditions and wish I had known about this over a decade ago so I wouldn't have had to suffer so much.

The Tingler link was funny but nothing like the energy field at all, you don't get shocked at all, it's very pleasant, I look forward to it each time.

I am also working on this, and it is not woo-woo, it is biological, physiological. That is why it is linked to the soma, the perception of the body from inside and outside. This biological electricity is simply perceived by our antenna, and it is not magical, it is just our nervous system! Nerves are our electrical wiring, and it is much more than the brain and not controlled only by the brain. The main nerve that does this is the vagus nerve, but it is not the only one.

I am presently working on a system to explain this so that scientific people as well as people "who just feel", can get it and use it and develop it. We should have done this since babies, but our humanity and disconnection from nature by looking at some life facilities - without noticing the drawbacks in time - have made us go astray.

So I am also working on progressive exercices so that it can be experimented through the part of us that is not mental, though our mental part cannot be rejected because it equally comes from our biology. Our head is still in our body! At mental level, we know that the vagus nerve is a para-sympathetic nerve, thus part of the autonomic nervous system, that regulates the "waves" of up and down that happen in our body and in nature, like circadian rythms, and many more rythms!

About the heart beats: there is a sympathetic part and a parasympathetic part, thus a much faster rythm than day and night, but based on the same yin and yang principle! And each yin and yang part contains a point of the other, to tell that each part is not going to last but cycle, and that the seed one one is always in the other....

What happens in cities with over-whelming stimulation? Our cycles become less fluid and even stuck. We indeed get joy in nature, and resource, but most of us cannot stand to be all the time in nature because we have not learned this necessary presence. Presence has been replaced by hyper-vigilence. Prensence means both: you relax and enjoy, but you can still react to danger, without being alert all the time, because you just see it. Most of us who can enjoy nature would die when living in it full time!

The jungle is an obvious example, but where I live, some people have died while "enjoying nature": they were swept by a wave or received a stone on the head or have fallen from rocks. Apart from accidents, it is just not easy to walk without a path or fish or ...you-name-it!

Awesome its nice to see someone who truly understands the Field. We have lost are original traditions. What you send out into the field is mirrored back to you. We must fill the field with gratitude love appreciation etc instead of hate and fear which keeps growing. Please turn off your news!

I often recommend this video/documentary to folks. Which follows one man who discovered the amazing benefits of reconnecting to the earth's energy field.




Another great quick informational video can be seen here



Something else worth mentioning is the possibility I recently learned of finding modern footwear that will allow connection with the earth's energy field. These are Electro Static Dissipative (ESD or SD) footwear. Designed to dissipate static electric charge when working with electronics, but I imagine (though haven't tried them yet) they wold help with keeping grounded with the earth as well.

I have been researching different ESD and SD footwear and looking to find some I could wear while working around the homestead that would be protective footwear for hard work but still allow grounding my energy with the earth.

Despite the negativity, I really hope nobody actually just stops tuning in to the world around them. The fear porn that certain media outlets push on us isn't the only news out there.

I doubt wishing really hard can produce actual change in the face of such negativity. If we can be grounded through our bare feet, it would probably do well for us to figure out how to connect with the energy field in the same way that many of us listen to audiobooks, that being while doing something productive. Otherwise we're doing nothing for others but vibrating with positivity, which isn't bad, but also isn't doing anything for anyone but ourselves.

-CK

Xisca Nicolas wrote:I am also working on this, and it is not woo-woo, it is biological, physiological. That is why it is linked to the soma, the perception of the body from inside and outside. This biological electricity is simply perceived by our antenna, and it is not magical, it is just our nervous system! Nerves are our electrical wiring, and it is much more than the brain and not controlled only by the brain. The main nerve that does this is the vagus nerve, but it is not the only one.

Are you saying the Vagus nerve is the main antenna, but there are other antennae throughout the body?

Susan Boyce wrote:You only tingle when you're tuned in and it's not like neuropathy at all, it feels energizing and you don't want it to stop. I have been ill with multiple autoimmune conditions and wish I had known about this over a decade ago so I wouldn't have had to suffer so much.

I guess I wonder how one can know that one is actually picking up energy from outside oneself, and not simply the effect of autosuggestion?

I understand the positive effect of negative ions, the way it feels after it rains or when you swim by the waterfall.

I don't think it needs to be accompanied by rainbows and chocolate-covered butterflies. Although in the right light the waterfall could create a rainbow.

Tyler Ludens wrote:

Susan Boyce wrote:You only tingle when you're tuned in and it's not like neuropathy at all, it feels energizing and you don't want it to stop. I have been ill with multiple autoimmune conditions and wish I had known about this over a decade ago so I wouldn't have had to suffer so much.

I guess I wonder how one can know that one is actually picking up energy from outside oneself, and not simply the effect of autosuggestion?

Considering there is a measurable benefit from the placebo effect, then I guess if autosuggestion is similar then a person can still benefit from doing it wrong and not really being connected, but believing they are.

Tyler Ludens wrote:

Xisca Nicolas wrote:I am also working on this, and it is not woo-woo, it is biological, physiological. That is why it is linked to the soma, the perception of the body from inside and outside. This biological electricity is simply perceived by our antenna, and it is not magical, it is just our nervous system! Nerves are our electrical wiring, and it is much more than the brain and not controlled only by the brain. The main nerve that does this is the vagus nerve, but it is not the only one.

Are you saying the Vagus nerve is the main antenna, but there are other antennae throughout the body?

It is the main and largest and the most well-known nerve, but there are other nerves in the ANS - Autonomic Nervous System - thus my precaution, as many write about the vagus as if the unique important nerve. There are even vagus stimulation devices! But there are natural ways to regulate it. Meditation is one, though it must be balanced by connection to the outside through our senses, at least 50% - 50%. It has also been said to be the source of kundalini and indeed a kundalini wakening looks like a change in autonomic balance. All this being pendulation between sympathetic and para-sympathetic, some peole working too strong on kundalini miss their balance and end up in psychiatric room for some time. We have threashold of otlerance that must be built up.

I cannot mean there are no other antennas than nerves, as who knows.... but we are also living bodies, and this body for sure has a role, and what is more electric in the body than nerves? Well, cells themselves are too.... Electricity is life!

When I'm in the garden, I don't wear gloves.  I feel better when my hands are connecting with the earth and I have dirt under my finger nails.  

I would love to garden barefoot but my grandfather sprinkled the garden with nails with the belief that they help the potatoes grow.

I have intentionally set up a small portion of the shady back yard in grass so that I can walk on it barefoot.  It feels good.  I have no absolute certainty that it improves my health or doesn't, but MD's have written books on it and many scientists vouch for it.  I don't see the harm.  Many people become angry when someone suggests a practice that is not yet proven beyond a reasonable doubt to benefit.  It's free and it makes me feel good.  I don't see a problem with it.  

John S
PDX OR

John Suavecito wrote: Many people become angry when someone suggests a practice that is not yet proven beyond a reasonable doubt to benefit. It's free and it makes me feel good.  I don't see a problem with it.  

John S
PDX OR

This!

Xisca Nicolas wrote:

John Suavecito wrote: Many people become angry when someone suggests a practice that is not yet proven beyond a reasonable doubt to benefit. It's free and it makes me feel good.  I don't see a problem with it.  

John S
PDX OR

This!

It makes one feel good, and that is all the proof that is needed.

We are told from birth, who and what we are.  By our parents, families, friends and strangers.   We hold dearly onto these beliefs, our egos are shaped. When we come in contact  with a new or opposing belief, we rally against it, get angry, or lightly poke fun at it.  This keeps our egoic sense of "self" strong. This is who I am. They are wrong, I am right.

Who am I?

How else would we know we are right if we couldn't blame someone else for being wrong?  What if there was no wrong, no night to the day, no silence between sound?  It is these intervals that create the vibrations that we speak of.

The yang must have the yin to be whole.  When we step outside of this game, we see it for just that...a game.  The realization of wholeness,  everything is connected,  soon follows.  This is the connection to "the field", god, nirvana, or whatever you choose to label it.  Yes, it truly is rainbows, skittles, and unicorn farts.  

Descartes got it backwards,  but that's just the ego talking...

Quick one data point for grounding: I have serious health issues, and I recently got a grounding mat for my bed. I have gone from averaging 3 hours a night sleep (total of all the bits added up in the 9 or so hours I am in bed,) to averaging 6.5 hours a night of solid sleep. That's worth the price of the mat to me. If you have gone without sleep as long as I have, try a mat. Can't hurt, might help.
Only one data point, but a pretty serious one for me. :D

Ed Belote wrote: The yang must have the yin to be whole.  

May I precise this point?

Yang and yin show a wave pattern because life is not a  fixed state. It represents the up and down waves of any electric activity, be it sound light or ...us!
This is the heart beat, this is any contraction and expantion, action and rest. It all alternates, so it also  means a bit different than being whole through showing the 2 complementary colors and parts, or the little point of the other color, the yang in yin and the yin in yang.

What is sure is that all states change, as waves. The little point of the other color is there to make us remember that one state already contains the other/nest/precedent. This is good to remember when we feel bad! It will change!

But we can go further and also, in some stuck moments, we can if we are really atuned, we can find a bit of deactivation in the activation, and learn to take the path back to a nice and fluent waving pattern. More than representing being whole, it represents change and all alternate/reciprocal states. Breathe in, breathe out... LIFE!

There's research going on about the vagus nerve and some of the results show that the vagus nerve affects our empathy, sympathy and compassion. Our vagus nerve activates when, for example, we feel empathy and compassion toward someone's situation. So in a way the vagus nerve is a sensor that we all have that connects us to other people. This nerve helps us to calm down and also connect with others!  

There are some great articles on the vagus nerve and many other topics related to empathy, compassion, etc. at UC Berkeley's Greater Good Science Center website: https://greatergood.berkeley.edu

Mark Brunnr wrote:
Considering there is a measurable benefit from the placebo effect, then I guess if autosuggestion is similar then a person can still benefit from doing it wrong and not really being connected, but believing they are.

It seems to me that if there is an energy field then we are connected to it whether we "do it wrong" or do it right, even if we are not aware of it.  I don't have to believe in the sun to get a sunburn.  The beneficial effect of sunlight (short of a sunburn) helps my body produce Vitamin D whether I am aware of this effect or not.  How is it the energy field described in this thread requires belief and proper practice to exhibit beneficial effects?  If the field exists in the natural world (aka "reality") then wouldn't any healing effects occur naturally, without special meditation practice?  I'm not talking about a placebo effect of belief in the field, I'm talking about real effects whether one believes in/is aware of them or not.

Andres Edwards wrote:There's research going on about the vagus nerve and some of the results show that the vagus nerve affects our empathy, sympathy and compassion. Our vagus nerve activates when, for example, we feel empathy and compassion toward someone's situation. So in a way the vagus nerve is a sensor that we all have that connects us to other people. This nerve helps us to calm down and also connect with others!  

The main source would be the polyvagal theory - Steven Porges. His work is used in somatic therapies, and shows how to regulate the ANS - Autonomic Nervous System.

The vagus is the yin side, so it is activated all the time, though it can block when it activates as the same time as the other side of the oscillations, causing dissociation between some of our channels, because of the de-synchronisation.

The vagus has 2 branches, and the one above the diaphragm - ventral branch -  is responsible for all social engagement behaviors, empathy and also just smile and all cues that can be read on our face. When there is sumpathetic activation at the same time, it creates PLAY!

The dorsal branch goes mainly in our guts and act for our digestion when it is reciprocal with the sympathetic. If the sympathetic activation is too high, then the vagus can block the activation: this is the dissociation process. When we cannot create a safe distance with a threat, then we "create a bubble" to get into an artificial protective distance, so that we are less impacted. It can have different intensities, from day-dreaming to passing out!

It is very mportant to note that most nerve fibers are carrying informations from the body to the brain - central nervous system - more than the reverse! So mainly, it means our body is informing our brain, more than the brain sending orders to the body!

Be careful with artificial methods (there are electric devices) and intensity of work with the vagus or kundalini, because when it regulates, it will let appear some past powerful activations that your vagus protected you from! I really advise people who work with energies to learn to feel the 2 sides of the pendulation and increase slowly and with a lot of work outside yourself, through the senses. I can tell from animals that they are very much in contact with those waves, and that they are very visible, and that they are accompagnied by physical signs of change. The ups and down are very visible, and I almost do not see any in humans, as we need to be more socially correct! We almost have to kow at what time we will fart, so that we can excuse ourself for any reason and let our impulse express safely!

Safe regulations of the vagus include being socially engage, or with nature, but sharing with another human is the most powerful ; singing and humming, as the vagus goes through the throat. Pandiculation, as cats getting up, and yawning. Breathing with a light pause after breathing out...Also, being in tune with circadian rythms helps.

Tyler Ludens wrote:It seems to me that if there is an energy field then we are connected to it whether we "do it wrong" or do it right, even if we are not aware of it.  I don't have to believe in the sun to get a sunburn.  The beneficial effect of sunlight (short of a sunburn) helps my body produce Vitamin D whether I am aware of this effect or not.  How is it the energy field described in this thread requires belief and proper practice to exhibit beneficial effects?  If the field exists in the natural world (aka "reality") then wouldn't any healing effects occur naturally, without special meditation practice?  I'm not talking about a placebo effect of belief in the field, I'm talking about real effects whether one believes in/is aware of them or not.

I love your question!
Part ot it is YES. Search for the nocebo effect... people taking what they think is a med and is a placebo, and they do not say this much.... that some people seem to get the adverse effect. Placebo and nocebo are both real.

Part of it is NO, and what blocks the current? Well, if you have clouds, it affects the sun rays! So there are 2 points:  we can be in the shade of something, and the second point is about OUR energy, not the sun's. We also have an energy pattern, in waves.

We have the gas and the brake, action and rest. We have all seen the effects of too strong activation, like the flight and fight, but also people who get hysteric when something TOO GOOD happens! INTENSITY - of good an bad - is hard to stand, and we can stand different levels, like 2v or 110v or 220v!

Also, as I have explained, the waves of up and down are reciprocal and in 2 branches of the nervous system, and they need to work like the 2 pedals of the car: in reciprocity, alternating. And we also have 2 brakes! One is not reciprocal, which means we can block an acceleration with our equivalent to the hand brake! And when we remove it, we find the full acceleration that was hidden, which tend to make us pull a bit of the brake again (this is all happening on its own, not voluntary). Going on with the analogy, it makes us be tired and lack energy, when we have such de-sync. The best for all living beings since birth, is to have the luck to live in an environmet that will help us face just what we can handle. The sweet spot is where we can be motivated and go over the challenge. Not enough and too much are both unhelpful. This is the basis of hormesis. We interact with other fields of energy, and connecting through looking at what is nice and noticing plant fractal patterns is a nice tool for harmony and flow....

Tyler Ludens wrote:

It seems to me that if there is an energy field then we are connected to it whether we "do it wrong" or do it right, even if we are not aware of it.  I don't have to believe in the sun to get a sunburn.  The beneficial effect of sunlight (short of a sunburn) helps my body produce Vitamin D whether I am aware of this effect or not.  How is it the energy field described in this thread requires belief and proper practice to exhibit beneficial effects?  If the field exists in the natural world (aka "reality") then wouldn't any healing effects occur naturally, without special meditation practice?  I'm not talking about a placebo effect of belief in the field, I'm talking about real effects whether one believes in/is aware of them or not

You absolutely do not have to do any of that. The reason a lot of us do it is because our modern lives are very disconnected from the natural world. If you were outside all day barefoot, the way thousands of generations of humans were, you wouldn't need to do anything, you'd get enough. We wear shoes, are in houses, have electrical appliances around us. You get the effect of sunlight giving you what you need to make vitamin D by going out in the sunlight. A similar process takes place by us choosing to be more receptive to the energy of the planet.  The modern world is short on the "sunlight" in this analogy. But no, you absolutely do not have to. There are real effects, whether you are aware of them or not, we just choose to be aware of them so we can amplify them, reducing more of the effects of modern lifestyles.

No hoping or wishing at all 'The Intention Experiment" proves when a group of people concentrate on peace targeted for a specific area violence Does go down.
We are all connected whether we like it or not. HeartMath is having a Global Coherence Initiative soon   https://www.heartmath.org/gci

Pearl Sutton wrote: A similar process takes place by us choosing to be more receptive to the energy of the planet.

I don't have to choose to be receptive to the sun's energy.  It affects me whether I choose it or not.  Same with gravity.  Reality affects me whether I choose it or not.  It seems to me that if I have to choose it, then it is not reality, it is in my mind.

Xisca Nicolas wrote:
Part ot it is YES. Search for the nocebo effect... people taking what they think is a med and is a placebo, and they do not say this much.... that some people seem to get the adverse effect. Placebo and nocebo are both real.

They are an effect of suggestion. They are a product of the mind, not an external effect.  If I go outside on a sunny day without clothing, I can not prevent a sunburn by the power of my mind.  I can not stop the sun's radiation with the nocebo effect.

"An opposite tendency—and one that has been largely overlooked by the research community—is the nocebo effect. Put simply, it is the phenomenon in which inert substances or mere suggestions of substances actually bring about negative effects in a patient or research participant. For some, being informed of a pill or procedure’s potential side effects is enough to bring on real-life symptoms. Like the placebo effect, it is still poorly understood and thought to be brought about by a combination of Pavlovian conditioning and a reaction to expectations."

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/what-is-the-nocebo-effect-5451823/

Tyler Ludens wrote:

Pearl Sutton wrote: A similar process takes place by us choosing to be more receptive to the energy of the planet.

I don't have to choose to be receptive to the sun's energy.  It affects me whether I choose it or not.  Same with gravity.  Reality affects me whether I choose it or not.  It seems to me that if I have to choose it, then it is not reality, it is in my mind.

Tyler and Pearl, is anything not clear in what I explained? It connects to what you both said and it would be my pleasure to make is more practical if it is not enough!

It is not in the mind, so you do not have to choose with your mind.

You are right in what you first said Tyler, that the sun affects you anyway. Pearl, is the choice of the word "choose" adequately represented if I say "awareness" instead? It will not change the reception, but might change our relationship to what touches us, and also change our response to it.

How long shall I stay in the sun? Is there a shade between me and what I want to feel? Do I receive enough, not enough, too much?

About choice, is it about deciding to go out? Deciding to remove our shoes sometimes? In any case, our choice will change our awareness. The choice is nevertheless not enough, as we need to pay attention too. This will change our response (and avoid sunburn and allow to get our vitamine D too...).

This is not about the mind only because the nervous system is wider than the mind alone. We relate and behave according to :
- our mental mind,
- our emotions,
- our inner sensations,
- our outter perception through senses.
We relate the outside and the inside through imagination, by using visual images or auditive images and any memory from our senses. (how do you feel NOW if you remember a good ad a bad memory? Any difference? ;) )

Our global thinking is much more than mental. Just try to think out loud, and you will see that you cannot follow the speed and richness of your global thoughts! Also because you have several sensations and images at the same time! When you get all those channels working fluently, the global experience is felt as spiritual, which includes also thoughts in words, and emotions, but with an added huge felt sense that goes beyond emotions and thoughts.
We often have an easier access to thoughts and emotions, and these 2 are easy to convey. The felt-sense of the biology is not easy to convey but we get it beyond words, and in art, in music, in dance, and in deep relationships, with humans or our environment, the space, the universe...

Tyler Ludens wrote:

Xisca Nicolas wrote:
Part ot it is YES. Search for the nocebo effect... people taking what they think is a med and is a placebo, and they do not say this much.... that some people seem to get the adverse effect. Placebo and nocebo are both real.

They are an effect of suggestion. They are a product of the mind, not an external effect.  If I go outside on a sunny day without clothing, I can not prevent a sunburn by the power of my mind.  I can not stop the sun's radiation with the nocebo effect.

"An opposite tendency—and one that has been largely overlooked by the research community—is the nocebo effect. Put simply, it is the phenomenon in which inert substances or mere suggestions of substances actually bring about negative effects in a patient or research participant. For some, being informed of a pill or procedure’s potential side effects is enough to bring on real-life symptoms. Like the placebo effect, it is still poorly understood and thought to be brought about by a combination of Pavlovian conditioning and a reaction to expectations."

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/what-is-the-nocebo-effect-5451823/

This is why the second half of my answer is NO!

And when you say: " If the field exists in the natural world (aka "reality") then wouldn't any healing effects occur naturally, without special meditation practice?  I'm not talking about a placebo effect of belief in the field, I'm talking about real effects whether one believes in/is aware of them or not." you have to take into account that is it not ONE field but many, and we also have one.
Placebo and nocebo are more than suggestion, it is also about a response to what is around, as nothing is in relationship alone.
And NO you will not make vitamine D just because you are in the sun, even if you are in the sun at the right moment (some peoole go in the sun at a moment they will ot make vitD...) I was in the sun the right way and had low vitamine D. A hair test showed that I had too much calcium, and my body had decided to limit the vitamine D making! We respond, and we have reasons to do it that our mere reason ignores! THIS is the reaction of our field to the outer field.