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! Bamboo as a Civilization Marker

 
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We are a small group of people who believe that bamboo can and must play a major role in sustainable development.We develop expertise in the following areas
1. Cultivate or Manage Bamboo Groves or Plantations.
2.- Propagate varieties appropriate to each ecoclimate
3. Standardize a treatment to make bamboo stable and long-lived (Heat Treatment or in a natural way)
4.- Train the rural world to join bamboo (joinery ...)

We have the following expertise: Management, Humanitarian, Agronomy, Automation, Biochemistry

We specialize in telecommuting and remote management.

We will gladly answer any message to you for a "Hobby" or a job.
 
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Interesting. What are the primary uses you have found for it?
 
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I think that there is something to what you say, Jean Pierre. But there are a few caveats, as I am sure you are aware.

I don't like what I have seen over the last decade where highly-processed bamboo products are touted as "green" or "environmentally-friendly" only because the cost accounting involved only the growing and harvesting of the product, and the overhead for that processing, but omitted the environmental impacts of the byproducts of its production. A good example is cheaply-made bamboo products out of some parts of Asia, from socks to engineered flooring. Just because it's made of bamboo doesn't mean that the manufacture of the product didn't involve some ick.

I hesitate to focus on bamboo as "the solution" because that mentality is exactly what I think is wrong with the "save the world" crowd, these days and in days past. There is no one solution. That is panaceic thinking, and all it does it allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. I think that an advanced field-grown paper or textile industry displacing wood pulp-derived paper industry would solve a buttload of environmental ills, utilising blends of traditional fibre feedstocks to achieve different paper specifications, from 20# bond for our printers to three-ply toilet paper for the obvious, cardstock for our covers and cards and cardboard for shipping and packing.

Now expanding on this as analogy, I have no doubt that some bamboos would make excellent candidates to the regional paper production of their areas, but so would other fibres from plant sources that have desireable qualities. These may also include jute, sisal, flax, cotton, hemp, and nettle, just to name a few, and may even find banana fibre and other largely unused biomass byproducts of industry useful.

Though I suppose, and have to grant, that if we are discussing the literal building of civilisations, bamboo makes great scaffolding and structural material both. I think that if the aforementioned preservation method was developed, one that could be implemented cheaply for widespread grassroots adoption, that would make it all the more useful, especially where it is already the building material of choice.

I was wondering if bamboo could be impregnated with the silica-based gel required to form silica aerogel, or another aerogel that would impart greater material strength to it while also removing all volatiles with a high-pressure bath in supercritical CO2. It's strong stuff on its own, but if it were formed within the cell structure of bamboo itself, that could be of great utility.

On the lower-tech end of things, I was thinking that if it were cured properly, bamboo might make an excellent corrosion-proof replacement for rebar in reinforced concrete construction in temperate climates, as rebar tends to push concrete apart when it begins to rust, as bamboo does not and, therefore, will not.

Also, I like the look of the split bamboo roofs I have seen, of the two-layer variety, wherein the bottom layer lays, cut sides up, and the butted-up cut sides are capped by inverted split bamboo. I have often wondered how they hold up in terms of wear.

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The other bamboo preservation idea I would love to tinker with is essentially a slow yakisugi, but gentle enough to not destroy the grain structure, so as to maintain structural integrity.

I wonder what the quality of rainwater collected off of a yakisugi bamboo roof would be like.

-CK
 
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To Wayne Fajkus

There are more than 50 listed uses of bamboo both in plant quality and in terms of materials.
As for the plant, there is an ecological or ornamental use:
for the material there are two major groups: the first contains the traditional uses often for millennia,  
the other concerns a material transformed for the purpose of construction, furnishing, textiles, paper, etc.

There are also many uses in agriculture as fences, or to accompany irrigation. bamboo greenhouses are also being built.

JPM

To Chris Kott

I see you know the subject extremely well. Our goal is first to respond better than our parents to the demand for sustainable methods of forest management or bamboo plantation so that the operation is profitable for the farmer where the forester. It is essential that the company or group ensures the first transformation of bamboo to stabilize it for an existing application already on the market, or of an obvious social interest, for example the creation of rewarding jobs

This is some already a program for a lifetime, I will add to that that we believe that bamboo has an important future and can really change the civilization by changing the habitat or the construction of places of meeting or socio-sportsman

I do not absolutely ignore that big empires were not created in 8 days

Once again thank you for your attention

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You touched upon my other specific concern with the one-plant solution.

I like the idea of bamboo as fencing, especially living fencing, where ecologically appropriate, and I love the idea that it can perform one function during its growth phase, before being harvested for any number of purposes. I think that any time we place so much focus on a single species, that we identify those other species of plant and animal that can benefit from close association with it.

If, using the ideas of companion planting, we can develop guilds so intensive and inter-connected that bamboo species form, if not a keystone, then an underpinning structure or terrain for healthy ecological build-up, then we go from ecological problems caused by monocropping and stingy processing practices to a foundational format for building real living wealth.

-CK
 
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To Chris Kott

Is one plant the solution or the way to solution ?
Not of course, our objective is precisely to show that bamboo can be a cross-cutting solution to many problems, in many areas and in many places of the earth: let's take the example of your living hedge:

In our politics development assistance, we are proposing to the peasants to fight against the plagues of the developing countries (in any case in Africa): the straying of domestic animals and the wastage of resources which follows.
We therefore propose that bamboo allow to define the place in the property where chickens, geese and ducks live ... Around the dwelling itself or for the pigs, goats..., it will no longer be a living bamboo fence but a fence made of bamboo treated and assembled using the techniques currently possible and of equal strength if not better than the cinderblock wall that disfigures the landscape.

We expect thanks to the bamboo itself or its derivatives two objectives: to
prevent the stray,
protect the house.

We propose systematically, absolutely everywhere, to associate bamboo with the treatment of water. (Some members of the team have, in a previous life, gained a good experience in marine aquaculture, fish farming, hydroponics or Aquaponics). We always suggest to build a reservoir to capture rainwater from the house on the one hand and to recover the runoff where the drainage ... (see lagooning) ..
In this basin, we put first of all, aquatic plants of the region, then the most common fish of the territory. When all this is stabilized, it is the water of this basin which is used to water the vegetable garden and, at the beginning of the growth, the bamboos.
During the maintenance of bamboo hedges, we remove not only the culms requested by the market, but also the branches, leaving on the ground only the foliage eventually passed to the compost mill. Small branches are treated with composting mixed with other waste so as to create a compost with the most different minerals or clay-humic complex.

After 2 or 3 years, we have created a complete and sustainable cycle, no longer requiring any external input:  
the fish eat mosquito insects etc,  
domestic animals may receive bamboo leaves or in case of flowering, the seeds of bamboo.
more aesthetically the property now holds the attention of all passersby
Jean Pierre
 
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Granted, you'd want to assemble an animal-tight structure for the fencing in any case, but is there a reason you wouldn't want living fencing?

I don't even know what the possibilities are for weaving living bamboo as it grows to form barriers, or if it would work at all, but I don't see a disadvantage in having living bamboo augment the structural properties of a cured-bamboo fence, and add to it the benefits of a living stand, which likely include air filtration and purification, as well as acting to shade and as a barrier to dessicating winds.

I really like it, where ecologically appropriate, to augment and control surface runoff, and to trap sediment. I like the fact that it is hardy enough to be used in mine site reclamation. I found a paper on the effect of bamboo on unmined, reclaimed, and active mine sites, which can be read here. I like the across-the-board 97% survival rate of seedlings, for starters, and the fact that it appears that though the bamboo on the mined land grew at two-thirds the rate of the reclaimed land, there wasn't a corresponding loss of plants.

I don't like the issues with their allelopathy, but that's no different for me than walnut or cedar; if it's worth it in the situation, and the case for responsible, sustainable use of bamboo has been sufficiently made, I think, a plan can be designed around a great number of obstacles.

I would love to see if a careful pyrolysis, or perhaps aggressive solar kiln curing, could produce some of the same benefits as the aforementioned yakisugi. I would also like to see lab-scale trials on growing bamboo, the two or three most-useful varieties in terms of structural integrity, and perhaps in terms of fibrous strength when processed into textiles, with different formulations of nanomaterial precursors, in the way that silk worms are being fed mulberry leaves dusted with said precursors, formulated to be combined within the worms' bodies to create the desired nanoparticle-enhanced material extruded as part of its silk. In the study I read, I believe they were working with carbon nanoparticle precursors, and the silk produced was not only mechanically superior, but was also electrically conductive.

I probably just made a hash of the above, but I will try to find the article discussing the matter and post it, and that will get it all sorted.

But to summarise, bamboo good. Bamboo great, where ecologically appropriate. And as with anything, if we can curb the worst parts of the profit motive in the establishment of best practices in the industry, it can truly be of great benefit to society.

-CK
 
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4.- To Chris Kott

Our group "Bamboo - Marker of Civilization” is a Consultancy of Management and Accompaniment. operating with market-compliant fees in the different countries where we operate. Our preferred mode of action is teleworking using the latest Android-based remote communication and intervention techniques. Most missions are done without displacement thus avoiding the corresponding costs. We open a contract of 200 € which covers 4 hours of work. You indicate your problem or project and everything runs on Android. Payments are made exclusively by Paypal. (PayPal.Me/JeanPierreMichotte)

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My participation in this permaculture site is aimed at answering practical and theoretical questions that may interest all people who think that bamboo can be useful to them.

1.- Bamboo is an extremely malleable plant which can be oriented during the year of its rapid growth in any way, there is even a fairly common practice: frame the young plant of 4 vertical planks so that the shape of the cane is rectangular instead of to be round. So we can find living fences in Asia, in Kenya.
An intermediate solution is to intertwine horizontally curved bamboo canes between the seedlings to form a barrier that will live as long as the bamboo lives.

2.- The use of Bamboo to recover mining soils is a long-term effort, which consists of managing a bamboo plantation with the objective of reconstructing a sustainable soil profile. Once this profile has been obtained, the soil can be washed efficiently provided that prefabricated drains are placed before planting when the water comes out in conformity with sanitary standards. The land can be used normally.

3.- The thermal or chemical treatment of bamboo culms, there are indeed many articles in the scientific press and on the net. We are currently negotiating with various partners to acquire autoclave, drying chamber, test machine ... in order to determine for bamboos in a given site, on a given eco-climate, and a given variety to meet to MOR, MOE, shear in the direction of the fiber or perpendicular to that. The business model provides for an initial investment of € 50,000 for equipment and € 50,000 of working capital.

I thank you again for your interest in Bamboo

Jean Pierre Michotte.

 
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Why  "BAMBOO" is a Marker ?

After material markers, such as stone, iron or bronze, other markers of civilization appeared and first the markers "Energy":
  Coal, steam engine and the railway,  
  then Electricity with the lighting and the tram,
  but also the Oil and the internal combustion engine which revolutionized the past transport of the collective to the individual,
  Then after the second world war, the Nuclear.

But these markers have disfigured millennial landscapes and chained our world with fossil energy, not to mention the attacks on biomass with the imbalances reported on Climate and Biodiversity.
The attempt to free ourselves from this slavery by a massive use of energy nuclear, from the 1950s until 1980, (Three miles Island, then Chernobyl and finally Fukushima)) will be blocked for decades by the inscription in the constitutions of a major stupidity: The Principle of Precaution: the triple goal of "Political Ecology" is achieved:
   Prevent any risk taking by blocking the "Nuclear",
   Spend billions on photovoltaic or wind power, then challenge them because they are dependent on rare earths and other cobalt or lithium,
   Prevent new infrastructure: Airports, Nuclear Storage for Treatment, etc ...

This created 3 major problems:
   Fossil Dependencies,
   Fuel Exhaustion Biomass,
   Inadequate habitat.

Hence, the search for other markers that would solve these problems:
  an Hydrogen Marker :  or Bamboo (renewable coal)
  Biomass Restauration :Bamboo
  Sustainable Habitat : Bamboo
 
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Problem 1: A HYDROGEN marker

Consequence of the Precautionary Principle :

       In the EU, it takes 20 years to build an EPR, 30 to 50 years to develop ITER, whereas the Chinese are already after 10 years only to prepare a first industrial wave. However, already in 1980, EDF in Gravelines in France (where we developed a production of Artemia (using rice bran) as a living food for the larvae of Dover sole) used the first reactor during off-peak hours to produce water. Hydrogen by electrolysis of sea water. At one time, we had a marker energy of the XXth century and the following for the beginning of the next ... ...

    In the West, we always "mumble" in 2019, while during this By then, the Chinese are planning for 2025, in just five years, to put public transport and heavy haulage of 25 medium-sized cities on ydrogen ... .It would be enough, however, to run EDF's 50 nuclear power plants during off-peak hours. liquid hydrogen production so that, in 5 years at the latest, all of France can roll with water ... ..

Here is a picture showing the aquaculture farm I designed in the early 1980s and for which I won an international award.




So we could free from fossil energies !!!

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Bamboo is great, and by that I mean potentially immensely useful, but I don't think it's a Civilisation Marker, as you're describing.

Also, these sorts of distinctions aren't really useful to be making now. They are the sorts of things that historians sort out decades or centuries after the fact. Nobody in the Bronze age was thinking, "This stuff is so immensely useful. It will probably be the stuff that civilisations point to, centuries from now, and use to indicate the state of technology of the era."

I think that, as far as that goes, we probably haven't even seen the next great Civilisation Marker, not in its coherent, useful form, and likely not in any way save fiction. It will probably be some kind of biological integration of nanocarbon into grown materials, so as to create conductive and super strong textiles like nanocarbon silk, or building materials that grow as fast as softwoods but have some of the superior mechanical properties of steel. And yes, it may be nanocarbon bamboo, because all of these materials will essentially be augmented natural structures.

As to other ideas, it may be Hydrogen that takes the cake. With all the pipelines ready for retrofit to hydrogen carrying, and all that land within energy corridors perfectly suited, in most cases, to have some form of renewable energy, solar panels, for instance, installed along its whole span, providing electricity when needed and available, and electrolysing water into hydrogen and oxygen, to store the hydrogen in the pipeline network, for use in hydrogen fuel cell plants, or perhaps even piped as such to community or home-based, smaller hydrogen fuel cell plants, providing decentralised, distributed electricity on-demand.

And bamboo might still play an outsized role, but even if it were used as a structural material that made some incredible, world-changing thing possible, like solar/steam hybrid, self-sustaining heavy-lift cargo airships, so that freight might move without pollution or infrastructure, and without deafening and killing oceans and ocean life, my thought is that it would be called the Airship Age, not the Bamboo Age.

It's more likely that this Age will be flagged as an era of troubles, where renewables finally started to take hold; in my opinion, it is much more likely to be called the Renewable Age, if it lasts long enough. Then again, if, for instance, orbital solar satellite networks started collecting solar power and beaming it down to microwave receiving stations, it might be known as the Solar Age (the Microwave Age having passed into history with TV dinners and dinner trays).

If our historians are cynics, or if we fail to fix things fast enough, it might be the Plastic Age, when we allowed the creation of the plastisphere within the biosphere of our oceans.

I don't want to think about if there are no cynics, or optimists, or historians.

-CK
 
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Another thing I need to bring up is the issue of nuclear energy.

The world, for the most part, is only familiar with the failed experiments of the last half-century, specifically with uranium-235 and plutonium-239 in Pressurised Water Reactors. As mentioned in other posts, I think that when Molten Salt Reactor technology is given the same go as PWRs have had, we will probably enter a new Nuclear Age, wherein the "waste" of the last 50 or so years powers our planet for the next thousand, enabling our terraforming and seeding of other worlds, and the artificial creation of some from the byproducts of asteroid mining.

The comparative effect of bamboo pales by comparison.

-CK
 
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To Chris Kott,

      I want to thank you for your comments that show your skill and life experience. I had different experiences for my life. The image below is from the book "The Book of Bamboo" by David Farrelly. published in 1938 at Sierra Club Books. this book is still available on the Internet. This image shows that bamboo served in ancient times to transport natural gas ....

   


Problem 2. Restoration of Biomass by the "Bamboo" Marker.

     This is the other major problem of our civilization: The consumption of Biomass exceeds the capacity of renewal of the planet "Earth". There is one obvious solution: bamboo. We believe that only an accelerated development of bamboo culture can bring a lasting solution to this problem by bringing the solution to the source of the evil, the overexploitation of mineral and vegetable raw materials by China and the USA, certainly in Africa. occupying the position it already has in the countries of Southeast Asia.  

  1.- Europe and the US are importing billions of dollars of products processed by the Atelier du Monde: China.
  2.- China passes contracts "Infrastructure versus Management of Mines, Savannahs and Forests"
  3.- Africa finds itself without resources: eroded or degraded soils, forests in danger of extinction, and mass unemployment because the workshops are in China and for Chinese .

     These three issues - soils, forests and unemployment - can be solved by bamboo:

  1.- share rhizomes bamboo is the ideal vehicle restoration sloping floors,
  2.- a bamboo plantation is exploited for timber from the sixth or seventh year after planting and depending on the species, this xploitation may continue for at least 60 years each year, one hectare will
       produce at least 2500 stems (one stem per 4 m²) 5 to 6 meters in length and 6 to 10 cm in diameter each weighing 20 to 25 kg, or 50 tons per hectare for 60 years or 3,000 tons for its lifetime. This
       yield can go up to more than 10 stems per tuft, following a rule: "leave at least as many adult stems as there are young shoots each year".
  3.-this yield is 5 times that obtained by eucalyptus (200 tons over 20 years), or Scots pine for example. 10 times more than the species traditionally used in construction such as beech oak.  

      In the Congo, wengé or Afrormosia does not reach maturity after 50 or 60 years and the natural forests were decimated for lack of obligatory replacement measures.

      Jean Pierre Michotte

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Very interesting.

Ecologically, how does bamboo stack against industrial hemp for the production of biomass? With the exception of advantages and uses that have to do with its unique structural properties, much of what you have said about bamboo can be said about hemp.

I know that realistically they will each have niches, geographically or industrially, in which one does better than the other, but what, in your opinion, distinguishes bamboo from hemp as a civilisation marker?

Hemp cultivation and usage has been around for millenia as well, and has many uses and environmental benefits. One could argue that the paper pulp industry could be completely replaced with field crops of industrial hemp, changing the nature of boreal forest usage here where I live, and in many parts of the forested world.

Not to derail or disagree with you, JP, just trying to highlight some key points of distinction.

-CK
 
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To Chris Kott

I am very happy to converse with you again. As you say very well yourself, hemp is a plant that I do not dispute in any case the interest although I have not studied this particular problem. I defend bamboo for developing countries because I see a transversal solution to the problems that I met both in Africa, where I was born in Latin America or in Asia or one of my daughters work for nearly 30 years as Humanitarian, doing audits for multiple organizations like ECHO or UNDP.

Here is a relatively recent reference that echoes 100 years later the reference book of Farrelly cited in one of my previous post

http://www.laboress-afrique.org/ressources/assets/docP/Document_N0225.pdf

Here is a third group of arguments showing the importance of Bambou in the habitat, as long in tropical regions as in temperate region.

Problem 3: A "sustainable" and "replaceable" habitat by the "Bamboo" marker for all adapted eco-climates.

 


   
In the meantime, the dominant thought, in order to combat the consequences of the population explosion, has demanded and obtained the implementation of the dogma of "growth without limits". with their consequences : the technology industry's use of programmed obsolescence and innovation for itself. This programmed obsolescence has now reached the habitat of both the developed world and the exploited world.

For the developed world, here is an example:
   1965: A young engineer will build the family house  
            - with oil central heating,  
            - kitchen gas oven and electricity,,
            - living with television and radio
            - bathroom With gas water heaterroom
            - there is also a fixed telephone line.
   1980:
            - It is necessary to connect this house to the cable to receive first a dozen, then a hundred or so specialized news channel.
            - in addition, since 1975, computer science is developing, firstly the big IBM systems, then, the individual computer.
            - With the Internet, the passage of hardwired solutions is necessary to use the telephone lines or fiber optic, in fine satellite links
            - and finally the coverage of the country by networks of antennas 3G, 4G and ... is needed. The 5G.
  1990- 2000: you want to sell the house build in 65 because the children are gone,
           - It must 'be completely renovated
           - it no longer meets the needs of the market: roof insulation, double glazing, see triple, update any electrical installation, etc.

      In the 19th century, one builds for 100 years, then for 50 to 60 years, until the year 2000. now, in 2019, it must be admitted that the duration of conformity of a house to market standards will be that of a generation, ie 25 to 30 years. for developed countries.

     For developing countries, : for Africa in particular, is added to this development, the problems related to the population explosion: In the DRC, for example, 60% of the population is not 16 years old, and the country has grown from a population of 13 million in 1960 to over 80 million in 2017.
   - With a planned obsolescence to 25 years of housing in the developing world:
   - In order to follow the technological transformations and
   - transfer populations from the countryside to the cities,
   - then, these being engorged, from the city center to the peripheries
The absurdity of this policy breaks out at last: destruction of forests, waterproofing of the soil, exhaustion of fossil energy resources ....

For the World of Exploits.

     In the developing world, be it Africa, South-East Asia, or the Central and Southern Americas, the population explosion is driving deforestation and accelerating erosion, pushing people to pay for rural areas. savanna or forest to reach slums. Kinshasa has grown from a population of less than 200,000 in 1960 to nearly 15 million nowadays. The working-class neighborhoods are "dumps of corrugated sheets rusted on breeze blocks". In the bush, overpopulation of villages leads to overexploitation of forest resources and soil and river erosion

    Examples from Ecuador and Colombia, such as those from India, Thailand and Vietnam in Asia, reflects the role of bamboo for housing, crafts and tools for agriculture and fishing in these countries. For Africa, bamboo represents a pool of potential jobs for millions, tens of millions of people to train and jobs that China can no longer steal. It even produces biofuels and vinegar from bamboo biomass. And more durable than palm oil.
 
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Problem 1 (see H² as a marker 2 days ago)


In "Bamboo Civilization Marker", we believe H² will help energy storage.




This is a récent article about it:

Hydrogen (24/07/2019)

Partial translation (the original is in French)


This type of storage represents a completely green solution, since the electricity used to synthesize hydrogen is decarbonized. Moreover, reactions related to electrolysis and the fuel cell do not release any pollutant gas.

This storage solution can be used in addition to production plants for renewable energy, to overcome their intermittent nature.

Faced with these challenges, it is particularly interesting to associate storage technologies by hydrogen production with renewable energies, in particular solar and wind energy. In fact, in addition to being a direct solution to the seasonal intermittency of production, on-site storage makes it possible to avoid transport constraints.
A strong political will to develop this sector would be a way to reduce costs as was found for lithium-ion batteries, whose price fell by 85% between 2010 and 2018.

 
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   A permaculture pen near me (Project 1- Theme: Bamboo 28/07/2019 suite 1, post 11 of "Bamboo as a Marker of Civilization", forum: Tropical Climate)

  To start a project whatever it is, and especially in permaculture, since we want it to be permanent ,it takes what is called in "Management Consultancy" a Business Plan.
  Do not be afraid of this term, it is actually hiding provisions simples and intuitives. Business Plan.
 
      Let'scall the project "A Parcel of Permaculture in a Bamboo Civilization" it is necessary to begin :
  - by defining the size of the land that we want to use,
  -  say an acre to the third of hectares
  - we will search on the Internet of land available at reasonable prices in the vicinity of where you live
  - here Porto in Portugal. Where is Porto in Portugal

    You have seen the sketch of the project organization on the link business plan
   We will now go through the plan which consists of:
      STEP 1.   looking for a plot of one-third of a hectare ( 1 acre) in the vicinity of Porto an price affordable.
         I will not come back with a report set stating how the decision is made.
      STEP 2 :After the purchase or the long-term lease,
        It will be fencing the land using the good bamboo.
     STEP 3 : Securing by means of a hidden surveillance camera wind on my mobile phone smartphone.

      See you soon

      I'll be happy during this work to receive and analyze your first reaction to this way of doing things

 Jean Pierre Michotte.
   
 
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STEP 1 of "A Parcel of Permaculture in a Bamboo Civilization"  (post 12 28/07/2019 - 15:24 h)

Parcel for Permaculture.

   I got this proposition in a litle more me an hour of time (Consultant Fee ~ 50 €.)  at the same time the following text in Google Search  

  Then
     - selecting a minimum and a maximum price
    - either for the sale or the purchase
    - and the maximum distance of porto
  Then I went to the site indicated and as link ,

  The price is 220 € per month and it's location is 14.9 km from my home.  

Access to a website (proposition)



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Project organisation : "A Parcel of Permaculture in a Bamboo Civilization"  (post 13 - 29/07/2019 - 17:25 h)

Work Organization.

It is now time to agree on a teleworking organization:
STEP 1: first indicate the steps to be followed ::
1.- purchase of land
2.- indication of the prices of the location, exact and conditions purchase or rental
3.- during these negotiations we can already consider how they will close the ground in the course bamboo divider.

STEP 2 consists of opening  
1.- a cash flow document for the monitoring of expenditure,
2.- a forecast cash flow,  
3.- the actual costs incurred are reversed in the cash flow.

STEP 3 consists in examining
1.- the type of bamboo product on the local market here Portugal,
2.- or import from Southeast Asia
3.- we open a document that will centralize as the project progresses:
      a.- all the offers: Comparative table by products  
      b.- to supply the projected cash flow.



The supplier (look at the image aboce) from China,
      - can deliver dictum 10 tons of bamboo in one 20 ft container for the Sum of 5910 dollar (fob Bangladesh).
      - This container contains about 500 rods (6 m long and of diameter suitable for the fencing poles).
      - the cost of transporting a container from Bangladesh to Portugal amounts to more or less 2000 US dollars,
      - with one rod we can manufacture 4 poles.
      - in total so we  have returned home the material of 2,000 fence posts for 4.00 € the post.

We present below, the various documents to be constituted
     1.- Cash Flow Forecast
     2.- Cash flow
     3.- List of products
     4.- Offers by product and comparative table

In our next post (14) we are going to deal with Infographic.

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I was thinking about your project with regards to temperate areas, and those where bamboo is ecologically unsuitable, and got to thinking that willow is a good cold-climate analogue for some applications. I was thinking specifically about planting willow for basket weaving in marginal wet areas myself before this thread came along, and it occurred to me that willow baskets would be a great stand-in for a lot of plastic that occurs in conjunction with horticultural operations, let alone agriculture.

Not to take anything away from bamboo or your project at all; quite the contrary, actually. If analogues to your setup could be tailor made to individual situations, the same kind of benefits can be realised in places that can't grow bamboo. It might need to be a multi-species approach, but I actually prefer that, myself.

I mean, as Civilisation Markers go, plastic is one, albeit a controversial one. I think the larger idea here is that the place of civilisation marker will be occupied by an umbrella term for all the modern and ancient-made-new technologies that replace plastics in industry and personal life.

It is my hope that you experience unbounded success.

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Post Yesterday 17:28:10     Subject: Bamboo as a Civilization Marker
Project organisation : "A Parcel of Permaculture in a Bamboo Civilization"  (post 13 - 29/07/2019 - 17:25 h)

                                                "A Parcel of Permaculture in a Bamboo Civilization": The Management Documents. (post 14 - 30/07/2019 - 21:19 h)

[/google]]To Chris Kott :
I thank you warmly for your new message. Actually the willow may be an interesting plant for  a lot of points of view, including replacing the innumerable plastic basket.
The bamboo can play the same role with regard to the temperate regions. There are many varieties of bamboos that support low temperatures as well as they originally came from the slopes of Everest.
I will send you a Wikipedia link that gives a long list of bamboos which, when you click on the corresponding link, connect for that species to a fairly complete description of the ecology or botany for the plants in question.
But there, are among those climate-resistant varieties, many species of bamboo that, obviously do not reach the size of the Moso or the Guadua, but can very well play, in these regions, the same ecological roles for hills slopes,  river edges or mining soils.
in the tropical regions also I lead in my presentation, to introduce  varieties of acacia which, once the bamboo established, brings, starting  from the 5th or 6th year of bamboo establishment, nitrogen-fixing bacteria. (Rhizobium in the nodules of the micro-rhizosphere)
These bacteria live in symbiosis with acacia and plays the role of transformation of atmospheric N2 into soil ions NO3- or NH4+. which are assimilable by plants

[/google]] First ETo Chris Kott :

 Here are the first elements obtained about the parcell.
  - it will be devoted to permaculture
  - it has 6100 square meters and will be 40 m wide and 150 m deep
  - to fence this plot, we will use bamboo poles of 8 - 10 cm diameter and bars 4 - 6 cm diameter.
  - will require, for a 3 m space between  poles and 380 m périmeter
         380 poles (380/3) 130 6 m long culms
         and 1200 6 m long culms for bambou bars

table]
||                    Container                         ||        ||                                                   Besoins                                                                       ||  
||Diamètre ||Poids   ||Nombre ||Container||        ||Article   ||Prix Tige 6m || Nbre par Tige ||Prix Article ||Besoins ||Coût total  || Nbr Tiges 6m ||
|8 - 10       |25        |40          |400          |          |Poteau   |       20         |          4            |        5        |   130    |     650       |         35          |
|6-8           |   20     |       50   |500          |          |             |      16          |                       |                  |             |                 |                       |
|4-6           |  15      | 67         |   670       |          |Traverse |      12          |          2           |         6       |  1.200   |    7.200     |        600          |
[/table]

This table (I am still learning permies tricks, as you see) shows thf treatede type of maths required to master the cost. We woulld order a container of 10 tons of bamboo culms
containing 35 culms of 8 - 10 cm 6 m long
and 600 culms of 4 - 6 cm 6 m long.

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Chris, I would think Willow or Hybrid Poplar would be a good biomass alternative to bamboo below zone 6.  Phyllostachys seems to do best at zones 7 or higher in the US East Coast climate (though there are folks doing pretty well with them in the Appalachian mountains at zones 6 and below).  As you go past 7 you can produce more biomass and introduce more varieties, but heat becomes more of a concern until plants are properly established.  My understanding is that zone 7 is a sweet spot, though maybe that's a bias based on where I am located and have done my research!

In regards to your other point, I'm pretty sure bamboo produces more biomass than hemp, in fact bamboo produces more biomass and carbon sequestration than pretty much anything (in the right climate), though of course hemp has other more specialized applications (rope, etc).
 
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[color=red]To Josh Garbo, from "Porto no Portugal" - Post 15 31/07/2019 9.53

I like very much your approach, Maybe you could also folow Chris Kott, He as similar concerns.
As you know from my preceeding posts, we are consultants acting to make public the "Amazing Bamboo Perspective" This a the reason I entitled "Bamboo - Marker of Civilisation" all my "works" .

I am working to define a list of suitable bamboo spécies for each climatic Zone. It would look like the table below :

[Climatic Zone and Bamboo]
||Country|  Province    ||Climatic Zone||Bamboo Species||          Application          ||
|Portugal |Porto, Douro|                      |Fargesia            |Ornamental, Living Fence|      
[/table]

Then I would add a list of links
- Climatic Zone.
- Soil Type
- Description of retained species of Bamboo.

Climatic Zones in Portugal.

When it is in suitable state of progress, we would open a page in "Wikipedia" to help people to decide without the influence of the "Plant Seller"

What do you think about it ?

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Josh Garbo wrote:Chris, I would think Willow or Hybrid Poplar would be a good biomass alternative to bamboo below zone 6.  Phyllostachys seems to do best at zones 7 or higher in the US East Coast climate (though there are folks doing pretty well with them in the Appalachian mountains at zones 6 and below).  As you go past 7 you can produce more biomass and introduce more varieties, but heat becomes more of a concern until plants are properly established.  My understanding is that zone 7 is a sweet spot, though maybe that's a bias based on where I am located and have done my research!

In regards to your other point, I'm pretty sure bamboo produces more biomass than hemp, in fact bamboo produces more biomass and carbon sequestration than pretty much anything (in the right climate), though of course hemp has other more specialized applications (rope, etc).



Oh, indeed. My concern, though, is less about overall biomass generation, and more about the sequestration, either in root zones, living colonies or established self-seeding grain or fibre crops, or in goods produced.

Also, in reading your post, Josh, I wondered how bamboo stacks up as pollinator food versus hemp. I have heard it suggested, for instance, that the pollen provided is of such quality and quantity that simply interplanting monocrops of almond or such similar pollinated crop that lacks proper bee nutrition would fortify imported hives to the point that disease and infestation would become less of an issue.

I like willow and hybrid poplar as well, but for other reasons as well. Riparian forest cover can keep water temperatures lower, thus increasing oxygen carrying capacity. If beavers have no problem using hybrid poplar, I hear they grow exceptionally quickly, which I like for establishment. (What about "Beaver as a Civilisation Marker?")

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Jean Pierre Michotte wrote:[color=red]To Josh Garbo, from "Porto no Portugal" - Post 15 31/07/2019 9.53

I like very much your approach, Maybe you could also folow Chris Kott, He as similar concerns.
As you know from my preceeding posts, we are consultants acting to make public the "Amazing Bamboo Perspective" This a the reason I entitled "Bamboo - Marker of Civilisation" all my "works" .

I am working to define a list of suitable bamboo spécies for each climatic Zone. It would look like the table below :

[Climatic Zone and Bamboo]
||Country|  Province    ||Climatic Zone||Bamboo Species||          Application          ||
|Portugal |Porto, Douro|                      |Fargesia            |Ornamental, Living Fence|      
[/table]

Then I would add a list of links
- Climatic Zone.
- Soil Type
- Description of retained species of Bamboo.

Climatic Zones in Portugal.

When it is in suitable state of progress, we would open a page in "Wikipedia" to help people to decide without the influence of the "Plant Seller"

What do you think about it ?

Jean Pierre Michotte.



I like it. I think you have a solid plan, and it sounds like you have a veritable bamboo think-tank behind you. I would love to see appropriately simple and accessible techniques turn bamboo into at very least a cured, decay-resistant building material and raw resource, and maybe even a metamaterial with properties heretofore undiscovered (because it doesn't exist yet). And then for all people to know about it, to be able to use it from its raw state themselves, would be incredibly empowering.

Please do keep us updated, and I wish you the very best of luck.

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Thank you, Mr Chris Kott,

    We are a group with a lot of very long experience in very different fields and we want to develop a start-up approach to create learning centers for Babou see 2 small companies.
   By showing that one can protect the environment and make money.
   Our main skills are :
      Management
      Agriculture, aquaculture, agroforestry,
      Humanitarian projects audit
      Chemistry, biology, urban ecology, teaching.

  We live for the moment mainly in Portugal but we have some "pied-à-terre" possible in
  Belgium
  France
  Africa (RDC, Province of Mai Ndombe)
  South America (Columbia - Isle of Providencia)
Thanks for your support
See you soon

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To Chris Kott (forgotten remark)

We work quasi EXCLUSIVELY using all android tricks. We think that Google s a very great company for Humanity.
In case of poeple who wants "Human Presence", it is possible, but the costs are entirely on the partner and the delivery time is circumstancial dependant.
We use only PayPal for financial transactions.
To finance projects, we avoid using banks (they work only for themselves.)

We are learning new tricks every day. It's a must

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Post 2 days ago     Subject: Bamboo as a Civilization Marker
Project organisation : "A Parcel of Permaculture in a Bamboo Civilization"  (post 14 - 30/07/2019 - 17:25 h)

                                              [color=red]Organisation : Report before Purchase Decision. (post 18 - 31/07/2019 - 20:00 h)
  1.- What do we Know so far ?
      1.- we found a plot of 6100 square meters for a monthly rent of 220 € the real estate company contact in view of new details Naha so far not answered.
      2.- we estimated the perimeter of the land at 380 m.
      3.- we want to fence off his land using bamboo as material first, and living bamboo later.

              Here is the report of progress in this regard :

  A.- Offer Request.

1.- Mail by me,, 29/07/2019

[color=blue]Hello,

We are a group of people who want to organize a demo plot of the usefulness of bamboo for fencing, solar panel mounts, kiosk, irrigation, etc. For example for the fence, we want the diameter of 10 cm for the poles and 8 cm for the horizontal bars ..... The poles will not touch the ground (the hole is filled with mortar for concrete and exceeds the ground of 10 cm the post is enchased in the cement about 1 hour after the beginning of the catch ..
1 ton is a test order, after checking that your bamboo is suitable, our normal purchase will be 10T every quarter
Can you tell me the price per T, for 1 ton, the freight to the port of Porto (Matosinhos) Portugal, the delay, taxes and insurance.
My name is Jean Pierre Michotte, I am a consultant and in charge of development.
thank you in advance


2.- First answer

Dear sir,
please let me know how much high require.
per ton is 435 usd,
min order 10 ton as we need book full container we cannot send part.
the cost is fob Bangladesh ,
container cost is about 1560 usd total cost is
5910 usd
till Porto (Matosinhos) Portugal
there will be no tax clerence cost about 600 usd
in your country you need pay that


3.- request for additional information.

I wish to have an offer for bamboo poles to make a fence around a test plot for permaculture of 6.100 m².
I  appreciate the  dimension being 40 - 150 m .
Description of the project :
   1.-  We will have a pole every 3 meters and between these 3 horizontal bars.
   2.- That fence will serve as guide bars for living bambo plants intertwine between bars.
   3.-  I calculated that I needed for this perimeter of 380 meters about 130 vertical poles (base imbedded in bambou baguetes concrete) and about 400 horizontal bars
   4.-  for the vertical poles I thought of lenght :1.50 m
                                                            diaméter : 8 - 10 cm
                     for the horizontal bars,   lenght : 3 m
                                                            diameter : 5 - 7 cm.
 Can you give me your opinion I think these 2 articles will constitute a container 20 feet full :
                                  -  35 poles (6m - 8-10cm)
                                  -  600 poles (6m 5 - 7cm)

  Thank you in advance


4.- Quotation

  Container Type            Internal Dimensions               Cubic Capacity
   20FT General       L - 5.89M W - 2.35M H - 2.36M        33 CBM
   20FT High Cube   L - 5.89M W - 2.35M H - 2.69M        37 CBM
   40FT General       L - 12.05M W - 2.35M H - 2.36M      66 CBM  
   40FT High Cube   L - 12.05M W - 2.35M H - 2.69M      76 CBM

we need put in 1 40ft container all item


5.- Request for additional informationon price

 How much for the freight FOB Bangladesh : 1.560 $ as before?


6.- Last answer

  It will be 2045 usd .

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                                                    Monitoring of the permaculture plot project near Porto(Post 19 - About Management - 01/08/2019 16:00 h)

 
  1.- Control of the environment in which we plan to install a bamboo permaculture plot as a marker of the civilization theme.
         - We proceed first to a systematic internet search of all the climatological and pedological characteristics of the region in question.
         - You will see in the two links below, this search

Bamboo § Portugal
Phillostachys ...... (undefined pubescens or....)
Portuguese Soul

    2.- In the meantime one of the prospective suppliers for the delivery of bamboo for cultivation on his own initiative to rectify its offer
     - by limiting the length of the treated stems at 5.80 m
     - put one gets to limit a container of 20 feet
     - and more one notes that for the quantities to calculate, it is enough of 8 tons instead of 10.
     - you see below the corresponding text

Dear sir,
We checked it will be max 8 ton,
we better put in 20ft contIner ,
cost container will be 1560
and bamboo weigth will be 435*8 = 3480 usd
total will be : 5040 usd
we make all height 5.8 meter.
is it ok to save your cost.


3.- Documents necessary for management.
     - Everything about management is done entirely in Google shared documents
     - so we present below an "Investment Budget" and a "Expenses and Revenues Budget"
     - these two tables are made from template provided by Google.

Budget Monitoring (between partners)

Investment Budget Presentation

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A sad reality - Waste in Lisbon Area.



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                                                         What must contain a "Google Home" permaculture plot ?(Post 21 - Bamboo as Civilisation Marker - 2/08/2019 15:00 h)

   - A Power Source with
       - solar panels
       - an electrolyser to transform electricity into hydrogen
       - fuel cell that provides the current when needed.
       - The hydrogen storage capacity must cover at least the maximum number of days of the year without ……. (1 mes)
   - A reserve of water
       - Either in the form of a record tank to collect the rain waters and runoff
       - or in the form of a pond with fishes that plays both the role of
           - the water reserve and
           - allows crop irrigation with water loaded with waste of fish, insect and aquatic plants.
   - A composter under shelter : Do not throw anything, recycle using the compost fed by water fish
   - A shelter including at least technical part and a corner of leisure
       - the technical part contains
           - hydrogen tanks under pressure
           - wifi management of connected devices apps,
           - As many connected cameras as necessary for remote  monitoring of all operations
           - A meteo station that automate the irrigation apps for all sites (that have T°C and Humidity sensors - Google Home controled)
   - Kiosk or Barza.
   - Permaculture enta
       - bamboo grove,
       - vegetable garden an orchard,
       - in cultivation organised in association and to restore the soil (leguminous nitrogen fixing etc)

   We are a group of consultants able to do that and bring you in the years 2050 now !
   It is an ambitious task, Do it sep by step :
       - First a few solar pannels
       - Install Google translate, Google Assistant, then Google Homme and we can help !!!
       - Then we can chat and help all over the world. (we have Congolese, Brazilian, Portuguese British and French frends)
       - Everyone speaks in their mother tongue and hears the other through a voice translation from Google.

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                                                     First Setup under Bamboo Umbrella. - (Post 22 03/08/2019 20:00h).

                                                     

          As we go in this first chapter, we are interested in establishing our bamboo grove. Do not forget that this plant will begin to help only from the 4th year of growth..    That's why we start our field work by establishing our bamboo. As the field is not yet protected or monitor by Google home we will protect the location of the grove by a temporary fence for example :  hen trellis.    
         Do not forget, however, that bamboo absolutely needs water. It is therefore necessary to provide a tank with sufficient capacity to cover the needs of the Bamboo in the absence of the responsible with an utomatic irrigation system on battery and connected to it’s smartphone. This irrigation system will be powered by solar energy of sufficient capacity to operate the pump immersed in the tank. (aquarium type suitable for a 500 l capacity)
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                                                                                                  [size=18]Phyllostachys edulis
                                                                                                 
                                                                                                  Height: 30 - 90 feet (9 - 27m)
                                                                                                  Max. Diameter: 7" (18cm)
                                                                                                  Hardiness: -18°C (0°F)
                                                                                                  USDA Zone: 6b
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            One of the more elegant and extraordinary bamboos, this is the world's largest hardy bamboo. Only a few tropical bamboos grow larger. In it's native environment, it can grow over 3' (1m) in one day! Here in the Pacific Northwest, it does not reach great proportions in the cooler climate. Branches are blanketed with copious amounts of fine, small delicate leaves. An extremely tall and very thick bamboo, it is recommended for large lots or gardens. 'Moso' is derived from the chinese words 'Mao Zhu', meaning hairy bamboo. Culms are covered with a very fine, velvety hair.
In China it grows as forests and covers vast areas of land. The culm wood is thick and widely used to make tools, utensils and for construction.

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Chris Kott wrote:
On the lower-tech end of things, I was thinking that if it were cured properly, bamboo might make an excellent corrosion-proof replacement for rebar in reinforced concrete construction in temperate climates, as rebar tends to push concrete apart when it begins to rust, as bamboo does not and, therefore, will not.



How about tropical climates? The Dominican Republic is an earthquake zone, so concrete structures require lots of rebar. But most organic materials are highly perishable in tropical climates, and it is certainly impracticable to go around replacing structural rebar every few years. How would you begin to handle this difficulty?
 
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                                                                   To Jason Hernandez,§ Chris Kott,

               The Dominican Republic is an area of intense seismic activity. This is the main reason why, in my opinion it is important it is not essential, that a real industry to build around bamboo in your home.
We have the capacity in term of humanitarian activity, as in specialties like agriculture, management, budget establishment and control, soil restauration... to help you.
We work mainly, using remote working, like remote control.
This is saving the customer the expenses of displacement and housing.
                                                   
                                                         

Permaculture Setup (Post 22 - 04/08/2019 - 20:00 h)

      It is important before you do anything to have a very simplified pencil scheme of the layout that is being considered for permaculture. To do it, you have to
                 - make a list of essential applications
                 - make a scale diagram the layout that is considered most suitable

Here is a list
    - solar panel
    - composting
    - water tank or a pond with fish
    -  shelter
    - Bamboo grove
    - in vegetable
    - orchard
    - chicken pen
    - etc..

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Decison Method. (A Permaculture Parcell -  6/08/2019, 15:30 h)

  Before taking any enterprise, it is necessary to evaluate the possibility of the market.
     - To do this the simplest is to draw a tree of decision.
     - To see then if the considered paths exist on the market
     - Or it is necessary to create it and to what price ?

Market Evaluation.

   By clicking on the link here before, you will see that it is essential, if one does not want to get into useless ways,
    - or because the market is already occupied by multinationals,
    - or protected by governments
    - or because the bamboo that you plan to cultivate is not suitable for the market that you have detected.

   So it is essential to go out and on the ground or on the internet :
    - to explore the situation in the territory
    - where you intend to exploit the products of your Bamboo.

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Permaculture: Produce, Transform, Store and Use energy.(7/08/2019 13:00 h)

Energy Chain Project.



Production :          
Transformation :  


Storage :            
Consumption :    

   We think that it is essential to evolve
     - in advance or at the same rate as the scientists where the engineers,
     - the solar panel has a confirmed technique and prices can only lower,
     - the electrolyser is cheap and can even being manufactured by oneself,
     - One finds on the market candies for hydrogen since a long time,
     - the only delicate point is the hydrogen battery (to transform Hydrogen in electricity (direct current, or trough an inverter alternating current)

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                                      There is absolutely nothing impossible to bamboo.


                             

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               The most Important after Energy :
Water containing or not Indispensable Nutrients.



Irrigation is Learning from Hydroponic to be Efficient and Sustainable.





The doctor Resh (Hydroponic Food Production -Howard M. Resh, Ph.D.)  is the world-renowned specialist for developing over several decades, several more  and more effective techniques for Hydroponic for Tropical Climate.
We start from his work to extend and adapt gradually it's techniques to Permaculture using natural means : Fish Aquatic plants and so on...

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What means "Permaculture" for the group "Bamboo - Civilisation Marker" ?

    After 3 weeks of communication on the forum "Tropical Climate" under the banner "Bamboo - Civilization Marker", it does seem important for us, to specify what we mean by permaculture. It is a way of life. Far from wanting to abandon the achievements of science and in particular those of artificial intelligence or the Internet of Things, we want to appropriate them to live otherwise here is an example person: a story of sole.




    """The common sole (Dover sole) is a nocturne feeder. During the daylight hours, the sole remains buried in the sand, moving little. The sole creeps about the seabed using it fringe of fin Rays almost like the legs of a miliped. It moves slowly around it gently pats the sand with its head with the sense organs on this blind side, feeling for objects lying on the surface. The sole only succeeds in finding food that lies on the seabed and will not notice suspended above it. Even the mouth of the sole is positioned so as to facilitate picking up objects from the bed of the sea."""

    During the years 1975 to 1982, we participated under our personal name, by creating the company Biomap sarl, in development studies for the breeding of the Dover sol. In a little less than a year time, we obtained, from juvenile with 2 to 3 months of age produced by the White Fish Authority in Hunterston, soles of the commercial size between 1 and 2,  (between 500 g and 1 kg) with a quality of taste that we never found from the actual industrial farm-fishs. The secret was to reproduce at best the feeding conditions and the natural environment :
    - Feeding at night
    - with a food from the bottom fillet of fishermen from Dunkirk
    - Chopped with a household machine,
    - then, turned into pellets and deep freezing the the pellets

  During more than one year, I got up from my bed, at 2 AM, my wife feeding them at 10 PM. In the most current livestock job jobs, they do not come at night and use food from the Antartic Ocean Plankton transformed by japanese Workshop Ship, and sold at a price that impede natural feeding. Anyway, this is not what the sole eat.

We want to find partners to prove on a large scale that "Cultivating sole on a permaculture way is possible and profitable. We know how to do, Bring the money and we will do it together.

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