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We are preparing to dig a cistern to hold water underground and we want the storage to be enough to last us a minimum of 9 months.   Water takes the form of ice or snow during this time.   So we decided to document our water use so we knew how big the tank would need to be.  My wife searched online and found water use chart:  https://www.teachengineering.org/content/cub_/activities/cub_dams/cub_dams_lesson01_personalwaterusechart_v4_tedl_dwc.pdf

The estimated water column is obscene in my opinion.   Our entire family uses less than 1 gallon of water to wet a wash cloth to wash our faces.  

I am wondering how other people in this forum would fill out this chart.  


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a chart to help people keep track of how much water they use over a week
 
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I live in Maine were we have plenty of water, so I do not conserve water at all, and I find the chart to be rather high.

For instance, I have a 40 gallon electric hot water tank, yet use no cold when I shower, and it never runs out of water. So to say it takes 50 gallons sounds really high to me, I doubt I even use 20 gallons.

A 40 gallon bath seems high too. I have filled my 120 gallon stock tank by five gallon bucket, and I am not even sure I could get (8) 5 gallon buckets of water into my bath tub. Yes, it could be said that running the water first to get it warm would add to the gallons per tub estimate, but 40 gallons???

So it seems pretty high. If pressed, I would say for a more accurate result for my house, I would divide the listed amounts by 1/3 and probably be pretty close.
 
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Yeah, this chart seems to err on the high side, leaning towards some wild guesses!
At least on the bathing numbers. If 40 gallons is a bath, and 50 (or 25) gallons for a shower, what?! If I stop the drain while I shower, no way it fills up as full as if I draw a bath...

If it were me, I'd take actual readings using a water meter over a known period and extrapolate (longer sample the better) or divert all the gray water to a tank and measure (messy, might miss some uses).
What your actual use is, will be far more useful than estimates. Although, over-building might only be costly money-wise, whereas under-building might be costly in many more ways...

A side benefit of water meters, is that they are sensitive instruments, with a tiny pointer/triangle that will clearly show tiny flows like a leaky faucet, or a pinhole leak in a pipe.

 
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I was thinking the same thing- the amounts are absurdly high for me..... but for my siblings they would probably be spot on. (I never stopped taking navy showers, they were born a decade after the water shortage I grew up in and never learned to conserve water.) Checking your own usage using sampling is probably a much better idea.  
 
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I remember when auto navigation GPS came out. It would give an estimated time of arrival. And we would usually arrive before the estimate. After awhile, we made a game out of "beating the GPS." It's not that we would drive too fast and recklessly (though sometimes we did). It was that the GPS estimated a little bit long because it didn't have any information about traffic and other variables. I certainly wouldn't have traded that GPS for one that was "harder to beat."

So I wonder if the creators of this chart did something similar. "If we give them a high estimate, it will be easier for people to beat our estimate. Which will make them feel good about saving water and then they will keep at it." They get to be seen as silly overestimators. But everyone is conserving water. So it's a fair trade.
 
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``````i wonder if it is actually litres, not gallons as detailed.
Litre numbers seem more realistic.
 
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I suspect John C. is correct.  To me, the  numbers make more sense in liters. 2 gallons for teeth brushing is a tad high.   Frankly, 2 liters is pretty extreme in my experience.  Can a normal bathtub hold 40 gallons with a person in it?
 
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Liters does make sense, but I find it surprising that we drink only 1/4 liter per day unless we are getting our water from sources other than the tap.

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Hi Eric,

Good point re the drinking water
 
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I took those number to mean estimated WEEKLY usuage and the column next to it to mean actual weekly water usuage.
aka about 10gallons of water per day, and with 5showers per week. (with weekends and remotes workdays, showers don't always happen everyday). Or maybe some showers are just super short because you are in a rush and so less water is used?

There is just no way I am using 48cups of water to cook for just myself in one single day. So I really think it is weekly/per person. Or maybe daily if its a family of 5(3kids + 2parents)
 
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Came across this post and felt the need to answer the questions as to whether the chart is gallons, liters, per day, per week, etc.
It's gallons used for doing the activity one time.
Why do I say this?
If you look at flushing the toilet, it says 1.5 for a low-flow toilet, and 5 for a standard toilet. That's how many gallons toilets have in their tanks and therefore use each time you flush. Not per day OR week. Each time you do the activity. So brushing your teeth might happen twice a day. Some things may only happen once a week, like laundry, though it may be 3 loads. 30 gallons is what they're saying a typical washing machine uses for one load.
They want you to write in the # of times you did something each day under Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, etc. Then add them up under "total number of times" (brushing teeth 2x/day, all week, would be 14). Then we see the pre-printed column of how many gallons (they say!) are used each time you do the thing. Then you'd multiply that times how many times you did it, and you'd get how much water you used for the week.

Obviously many of us use way less than they estimate! If any of us wanted to use that chart, we should change the numbers in that pre-printed column to reflect how many gallons or liters we actually use. I wet my toothbrush with a quick tiny bit of water, then turn it on again to rinse, using a small trickle for 3 quick 'rinse & spits'. When I visit a particular place where I use bottled water, I use about 1/4 cup. I then turn on the faucet for a moment to rinse the sink where I spit, so I'd estimate brushing my teeth uses about 1/2 cup of tap water and 1/4 cup bottled there.

My husband suggests that to estimate shower usage, if you have a shower head you can take down, put it in a 2 gallon or 5 gallon bucket and time how long it takes to fil it up, then time how long your showers are, and do whatever figuring you have to. Or run the water for 1 minute and measure how much water that is, then multiply times 10 for a 10 minute shower, etc.

To answer the OP, if they're still around:
My numbers would all be less except drinking water. We use bottled water for drinking and for cooking in instances where we consume the water used (noodles, rice, soup, coffee, tea, etc. We use tap water for boiling eggs because it doesn't get in the egg). We average a little less than 1 gallon per day between drinking and cooking. It varies, so when we plan & shop, we assume 1/day. I wouldn't include that in this chart, which seems to be for estimating an onsite source like a well, or even city water.
No dishwasher.
We don't water a lawn, though we water a garden on occasion in the heat of summer, so that is super-variable.
No baths, either, just showers. Low flow shower head, low flow toilet (max allowed for sale in the US is 1.28 gallons nowadays, by law)
We argue about how to do dishes, with me letting the water run and my husband shutting it off while soaping them up. But his don't always come out clean.

I don't really wash my car. Maybe a couple times a year I might go to a car wash, and that's stretching it. I often imagine I'm going to wash it but I never do, then when a big rain comes I park it out in the open, not under my usual tree. I've also imagined going out and soaping it up as the rain starts and then letting the rain rinse it, but I never do that either. This past winter while cleaning snow off it, I used the snow brush and snow to scrub along the bottom and the tires. I thought that was pretty clever of me. It was surprisingly shiny with no soap!
 
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