“Every human activity is an opportunity to bear fruit and is a continual invitation to exercise the human freedom to create abundance...” ― Andreas Widmer
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“Every human activity is an opportunity to bear fruit and is a continual invitation to exercise the human freedom to create abundance...” ― Andreas Widmer
Thank you for your interest, and thank you for continuing this thread!L. Johnson wrote:I admit I looked into it briefly since you've been posting about it.
Yes, and the proponents of Distributism from the beginning have observed that Capitalism as we know it today and Marxism that is supposedly opposed to it are in fact two sides of the same coin; and that is because both systems work to keep property, business, and production out of the hands of the citizens. Capitalism = a few businessmen control all property and production, Communism = a few government officials control all property and production. The opposite of the few controlling everything is the many owning lands and businesses and producing goods and services.L. Johnson wrote:Honestly to me, Capitalism, Communism, and Distributism all sound pretty good when summed up by proponents. I tend to like to read the critics opinions too, and then see how they have worked in practice and within the global framework that exists.
Communism for example, really cool idea, really bad implementations made it fail really hard and created a giant arms race and put us all on the brink of world war for several decades.
Capitalism, works really well for a lot of people and throws others under the bus. The environment seems to have been one of the victims getting run over by the bus.
Distributism is all about the local. "I have often said that the most efficient social and economic unit is one wherein the area of production tends to be co-terminous with the area of consumption; i.e., that things will be produced where they are to be consumed." --Fr. Vincent McNabb, Old Principles and the New OrderL. Johnson wrote: What happens when you try to bring Distributism into the fold? Where are the models of it functioning already? Can you apply it on local scales? Will it scale to function on a national or global level? Communism functions fairly well on a local scale, but when large resource economies come into play it seems to fail.
Yes, and Distributism by its nature cannot be forced. It is a philosophy that must be embraced, personally and civically. And there is a place for the legal system to do its work--e.g., handicapping mega-retailers with special taxes and tariffs, enforcing anti-trust legislation, and favoring small-holders with free legal representation and subsidies.L. Johnson wrote: I'm not an economist, and every economist I've ever talked to has said lots of stuff that sounds good but seems to not really reflect reality, at least as I see it. But anyway I think that global economics are just so complex that actually trying to enforce a system onto everything is impossible. The real question to me is when and where does each system fail and how can we address those points of failure.
“Every human activity is an opportunity to bear fruit and is a continual invitation to exercise the human freedom to create abundance...” ― Andreas Widmer
“Growing food is not simply a quaint hobby; it is, rather, a serious economic endeavor. There is a growing area of agriculture that is focused explicitly on producing food in small plots, especially in urban areas. This discipline is known as permanent agriculture or ‘permaculture.’ Its advocates have demonstrated that small plots are not only highly productive, but that they can yield 2 to three times the amount of produce per unit of land as the average farm. Moreover, permaculture production techniques are based on low-input methods coupled with superior garden designs to achieve maximum results.... There is great potential here that has yet to be realized.”
“Every human activity is an opportunity to bear fruit and is a continual invitation to exercise the human freedom to create abundance...” ― Andreas Widmer
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Michael Cox wrote:
I would generally argue that where capitalism has led to inequalities it is a failure of government to protect it’s people.
The USA has long pursued an idealised form of free-market capitalism, which leave large swathes of the population at a disadvantage. Not all western developed nations have followed the same path.
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Michael Cox wrote:Everyone recognises that unfettered capitalism is a bad thing. But at the same time it is the only economic system that has a proven track record of driving prosperity, innovation and human wellbeing. The countries that have the very highest levels of happiness and well-being in their populations are those that have robust governmental oversight and regulation to prevent the gross inequalities that tend to arise in unfettered capitalism.
Michael Cox wrote: I would generally argue that where capitalism has led to inequalities it is a failure of government to protect it’s people.
One of the main disadvantages of Capitalism, as Distributists see it, is that it keeps most families in a village/town from being able to own subsistence farms. The ideal is for the families to own the land and the means of production, not the corporations, and not the government. Our local regions should make decisions for themselves, govern themselves, feed themselves, care for themselves, produce for themselves, etc., etc. The closer any country's systems get to that, the more of the population will have what I consider true advantages.Michael Cox wrote: The USA has long pursued an idealised form of free-market capitalism, which leave large swathes of the population at a disadvantage. Not all western developed nations have followed the same path.
“Every human activity is an opportunity to bear fruit and is a continual invitation to exercise the human freedom to create abundance...” ― Andreas Widmer
Anne Pratt wrote:
So this is socialism, right? I agree in large part - the European economies have protected lower-income people far, far better than we have. (speaking as a US citizen)
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One of the main disadvantages of Capitalism, as Distributists see it, is that it keeps most families in a village/town from being able to own subsistence farms. The ideal is for the families to own the land and the means of production, not the corporations, and not the government. Our local regions should make decisions for themselves, govern themselves, feed themselves, care for themselves, produce for themselves, etc., etc. The closer any country's systems get to that, the more of the population will have what I consider true advantages.
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Michael Cox wrote:So this is a movement that wants to ignore human nature and push everyone back to subsistence agriculture?
Michael Cox wrote:A large proportion of people in the world don't WANT to be subsistence farmers. A small number might be happy with it, but the overwhelming tendency through the last 200 years is for people to leave rural communities based on agriculture and seek opportunities for better employment and quality of life in cities.
Michael Cox wrote:We in the West bemoan sweatshop factories in the developing world… but they ALWAYS have people queueing up to work for them because working 12 hour shifts in a sweatshop for low wage beats the pants off subsistence farming back home in the country.
Permaculture says it doesn't have to! I will increase my practice of Permaculture in my urban lot and on my parents' land nearby, and work hard, but not break my back, using appropriate design and technique for better management and fuller production!Michael Cox wrote:Subsistence farming in practice means a lifetime of backbreaking labour, with low (or more likely zero!) wages, and no prospects for self improvement, or improvement for your children.
Well, maybe, but...what do we mean by "human nature"? There are the "better angels of our nature" as Lincoln pointed out, which we would presumably want our economic system to encourage, but since there is also greed, envy, etc., in us, which some systems reward and encourage, it behooves us to establish systems that discourage the worst in us and bring forth the best. It is so important to evaluate what the systems reward and encourage in human behavior. Slavery, for example, is as old as humanity, and often makes people "prosperous" but it's still wrong and laws should prohibit it. Distributism is an ethical economic philosophy, talking about what should be done rather that just what can be done or might be done.Michael Cox wrote:Capitalism works because it aligns so well with human nature. How does this proposed system cope with a population who just don’t want what is being proposed?
“Every human activity is an opportunity to bear fruit and is a continual invitation to exercise the human freedom to create abundance...” ― Andreas Widmer
Mr. Ahlquist wrote:There are many people who want to take responsibility for their own lives, but they are increasingly frustrated by the feeling that everything is out of their control, and they cannot even say who is in control. They are weary of the complexities and complications brought on by bureaucracy and regulation, with no one being answerable for anything.
Localism means having control over the things that most directly affect you. Another term for this is “subsidiarity.” (But that’s another word that always has to be explained.) It means keeping accountable those who have any power that affects your home, your children’s education, your trade. As Chesterton says, you should be able to keep your politicians close enough to kick them. It means keeping your dollars in your community, buying from your neighbor and not from a remote corporation (or a river in South America). It means owning your own piece of the community. It means reconnecting with the land and with what you eat. It does not mean everyone has to be a farmer, but it means everyone should be in touch with a farmer. It means more people doing more things for themselves, which makes them less passive, less dependent, less helpless, less hopeless.
And there is nothing more local than the family. There is nothing more local than the home. By Localism, we mean an economy and a political system based on the family.
“Every human activity is an opportunity to bear fruit and is a continual invitation to exercise the human freedom to create abundance...” ― Andreas Widmer
Our inability to change everything should not stop us from changing what we can.
Robert Ray wrote:I love the idea of localism, distributism, locavore, local currencies all of the ideas that focuses on a sustainable community. However there still has to be some connectivity to those that live outside the circle.
Robert Ray wrote: Communication, electricity, fuel, medicines, some medical care, machine parts. How would a distributive society or transitional town address those outside needs with an acceptable external currency. There is going to be an interface of some kind what does that look like?
“Every human activity is an opportunity to bear fruit and is a continual invitation to exercise the human freedom to create abundance...” ― Andreas Widmer
Our inability to change everything should not stop us from changing what we can.
Robert Ray wrote:Scale of an area makes a difference. My small town and circle of contacts regularly trade, trade skills just today a jar of pickled asparagus for a jar of canned tuna. Help me with definitions here. Party one has a skill or product and party two would like to acquire the skill or product. Party one wants to make an exchange and in that exchange needs to acquire the ingredients/material to make more product. Party two has a portion of the ingredients/material to create the product. A trade is made. It's local, it required no currency, it was made with ingredients acquired within a 100 mile radius. Is that trade Capatalism? Locavore? Sustainable? What we want to see in a transitional town? Is party one under any obligation to supply his/her limited quantity of product without compensation? Is Distributism just about land ownership? In that system is there control of how that land is used? Is there any mechanism to require or remove one that is unproductive of property distributed to a person.
“Every human activity is an opportunity to bear fruit and is a continual invitation to exercise the human freedom to create abundance...” ― Andreas Widmer
Our inability to change everything should not stop us from changing what we can.
“Every human activity is an opportunity to bear fruit and is a continual invitation to exercise the human freedom to create abundance...” ― Andreas Widmer