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Heavy Snow, The Smoke Shack takes a direct hit

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Since Thursday night, it has been 33f and snowing steadily.
On Saturday morning, there was apx 14" of very wet heavy snow.

Overnight, a 70' pine tree uprooted itself and scored a direct hit on the smoke shack!
Due to its brick construction and a seriously strong roof, it did not crumble but tipped all four brick pillars.
One small blessing is that although the smoke shack is in rough shape, it has protected my barn as it took the brunt of the weight.

The Walker Black-and-White oven remained untouched.

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Built like a brick sh…. Er, smoke house. :)

Glad things worked out like that. Looks like a manageable repair in good weather, other than that roof does look ridiculously heavy. Do you have a machine or a way to rig it or do you have to disassemble it?

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I really will not know until we get the tree out of there.
With a lot of luck, it may sit back on its columns.
If it does that, I can jack each corner and make repairs.
Amazingly, the lumber all seems to be intact, except for the brick columns lifting.
Had I used three-hole bricks with rebar, the result would have been different... better??? maybe. maybe not.

With 14F for a low tonight, but then rising into the 50s by Tuesday, and they are saying 60-65F by Friday.
The snow will be gone, and we can get a better idea of how to get the tree out with minimal further damage to anything.
After that, I can see how the shack looks and decide on a plan to repair it.
I do have machines available to lift the whole roof if I need to.

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Rebar in the columns might have avoided that damage, but it probably would have cracked rafters and punched metal. definitely would have made any repair harder/more expensive.

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Well, with better lighting, I got a better look at things.
The barn is basically undamaged. The tree is leaning only on the outer edge of the metal roofing and the support boards beneath.
The Smoke Shack roof itself is undamaged, but the brick columns are collapsing.
Will it get worse? It sure could.
Will it damage the barn if the tree falls more??? I sure hope not... but it could.
Help is coming on Thursday, between now and then, fingers crossed.
We need the snow to melt before anyone can go up on the roof.

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It's definitely busticated. Any way you can put a solid post between the barn and the smoke shack to keep the tree from falling further as things melt?

I sure hope you're not expecting rain. Rain on top of snow will make things even heavier!

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thomas rubino

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I thought about a post for extra support, not sure if I could keep it from sinking, although not muddy the ground is thawed.
Perhaps a steel plate with some spikes on the bottom. and some tabs to keep the post from skidding off it.
For now, I will keep a close eye on it.
Every morning, it will be the big question... did it move overnight?
This morning it is 17F. Nothing has moved since yesterday.

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Likely the snow was mainly responsible for this tree going down, how about the wind during that time? 2 summers ago we had a 62 year old balsam fir snap off about 10 feet above the ground. This was a healthy tree in the middle of our grove north of the house. Balsam fir does not have a large exposure because they are lightly branched with small needles yet the wind was strong enough to take this tree. Planted it with my grandfather, he had brought it back from Upper Michigan. We seem to be having stronger winds here the last few years and not always related to storms, has me thinking about trees near our house.

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In this case, it was an already leaning tree that became too heavy with wet snow and tipped over.
There were high winds in the area, but our elevated valley, nestled between ridges, avoids 90% of them.
The sad part is that all winter I have been picking trees (including the offending one) to have logged this summer.
Guess I should have thought of that last year...

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well thats a bugger ---could you knock up an "A frame" with some round pole /trees ---include a top and bottom brace ---to support the tree trunk at the corner--- where its resting on the smoke shed roof ---prevent it from crushing down further with the build up of more snow---and perhaps nail up some upright poles at each roof corner with cross bracing to just keep the roof in place for now---the trees weight -- is now keeping it pinned down from the wind lifting at least---when good weather comes round ---cut that tree into stove size pieces --- keep it in a special place to dry out ---and then BURN it ---that will teach it .

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Doug McEvers wrote:We seem to be having stronger winds here the last few years and not always related to storms, has me thinking about trees near our house.

We've been having weirder weather all around. Our area had a lot of very wet weather, followed by a lot of gusty weather, and many trees "tipped over" like Thomas' did (many of them taking out power lines in the process).

A couple of years ago, Hubby had professionals take out 5 trees that were threatening our power lines. Years before that, I convinced the Municipality to top a dead tree on the road allowance (standing deadwood is very important ecologically in our area). They were sure it wouldn't fall on our power lines, but when I gave them an option of shortening it to what they call a "wildlife tree", they were quite willing. This winter if finally tipped and sure enough, if it hadn't been shortened, we'd have been without power during a time when half the area was out of power!

Not great wood, but it will burn. We don't need hardwood in our mild climate to get the house warm enough to be comfortable.

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A few more pictures.
Using some nylon chokers and a come-along, I anchored the roof to a clump of mountain maple.
I stuck a 10' chunk of steel tubing under the tree for now.
If it looks like it wants to keep moving, I will build an A-frame as Tony suggested and have the neighbor lift the tree just enough to insert it.
Trimming off as many branches as I can get to from a ladder.
When I got as far as I could, I discovered that the outer (non-structural) 2x4 on the barn was broken.
An easy fix as long as that is the extent of the damage.

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