• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Carla Burke
  • John F Dean
  • Nancy Reading
  • r ransom
  • Jay Angler
  • Timothy Norton
stewards:
  • paul wheaton
  • Pearl Sutton
  • Anne Miller
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • M Ljin
gardeners:
  • Jim Garlits
  • thomas rubino
  • William Bronson

What do oaks, pine, and cedar tell me about this property?

 
gardener
Posts: 3255
Location: Central Maine (Zone 5a)
1796
homeschooling kids trees chicken food preservation building woodworking homestead
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I am looking to purchase a property (4th time is the charm?). It is mostly wooded and comes with almost 3 acres. I noticed a number of oaks and pine, but also a large number of cedar trees. (there were other trees too, but not ones I could pick out quickly) I thought cedar trees grew in moist soil near water... but this property is on a hill and appears fairly dry.

I know in a field, the kind of plants growing can give indications about the soil. Can trees do the same thing? If so, what does oaks, pines, and cedars mean?
 
gardener
Posts: 2251
Location: Zone 6b
1444
forest garden fungi books chicken fiber arts ungarbage
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Can you be more specific about the types of oak and cedar? Red oak or white oak? Northern white cedar or Eastern red cedar? Some prefer moist and swampy environment and some can tolerate dry conditions. It is species specific so good to know what they are. Also inspect dead trees in the lot and the cause. What about understory trees and ground cover do you have? Some pictures would be helpful.
 
gardener
Posts: 394
Location: S. New England
251
fungi foraging trees chicken bee wood heat homestead
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Without seeing it, I'd guess well-drained, silty loam. Probably an old field that's long since been overtaken.   Are there any stone walls in the area?

If you haven't heard of Web Soils Survey, it's a great reource for determining soil types (US State & Territory specific).

   https://websoilsurvey.nrcs.usda.gov/app/

It isn't the most intuitive site, so here's a quick guide as to how it works:

- Start by hitting the green "WSS" tab at top of the page, then zoom into your area of interest and 'window' it using the "AOI" tab,

- Then select the "Soil Map" tab (top left of page) and that will provide you with a soil-type report.


You might also check out the old soil surveys. These are overlaid on aerials dating back to the early to mid 1900's(?).
You have to 'thumb' your way through to find the index. Not quite as user-friendly as WSS, though these are handy to get an idea of how the land was used back in the day.

   https://archive.org/details/usda-maine

   https://archive.org/details/usda-soil-surveys

Hope this helps!


 
gardener
Posts: 6549
Location: Carlton County, Minnesota, USA: 3b; Dfb; sandy loam; in the woods
3962
8
forest garden trees books chicken food preservation cooking fiber arts seed woodworking homestead ungarbage
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
side-topic: Where I live, every county has a GIS land-explorer website where you can look up a parcel and then play with all the layers to learn things about the topography, soil-strata, aerial-picture history, easements, etc. But I know some states make that harder for privacy purposes. If you have something like that and haven't done so already, see what it can tell you.
 
master gardener
Posts: 2738
Location: Zone 5
1585
ancestral skills forest garden foraging composting toilet fiber arts bike medical herbs seed writing ungarbage
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Interestingly, many plants that can grow in swamps also enjoy poor, thin, dry soils. I am guessing your field is of a poorer, drier soil type and was pasture or hayfield before growing back to forest—that tends to be the source for pines.
 
steward
Posts: 19241
Location: USDA Zone 8a
4852
dog hunting food preservation cooking bee greening the desert
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Yes, trees can predict what kind of soil you have.

I have several kinds of oaks and juniper trees.  They seem to like soil that does not need much water.
 
I agree. Here's the link: http://stoves2.com
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic