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Hi Deb.  I am interested in your offer, definitely at least to visit.  Is there any way to text privately or phone?  My email is Dorishaktiblue@yahoo.com
You and your place sound lovely.  How far are you from West Plains?

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Dori Ahern wrote:Hi Deb.  I am interested in your offer, definitely at least to visit.  Is there any way to text privately or phone?  My email is Dorishaktiblue@yahoo.com
You and your place sound lovely.  How far are you from West Plains?

Dori



We're about 2 hours or so away from West Plains. Please contact me through this site using the Purple Moosages and we can talk further. Thanks!
 
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I'm a raw vegan in Saint Louis, if you want to connect with vegans in many places then facebook groups is a good idea.

 
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Deb

Good to stick to your principles at least when you know for sure that you can't deal closely with people who don't line up with all of them. Don't start something that bends you the wrong way. Bad juju. That said, I agree with all the comments above, ie. that for many reasons you select out almost everybody. Not a problem if it all seriously matters for you. Over time, you may decide that some things matter less. Or you may not.

One thing I have learned in life, though, and painfully at that, is that the perfect person... I won't say doesn't exist, but rather there are _huge_ dimensions to a person that simply don't show up on _any_ check list. And there _will_ be "challenges", promise, absolutely guaranteed. So if your list is an attempt to prevent difficult situations of the kind people get into whenever, however, wherever they live closely - I'm afraid nobody will ever work out, in the end.

Tyler's comments on your presentation seem valid to me. Pictures, more vision, fewer negatives. Just mention a couple of the most important things like vegetarian, and maybe one other point. Include a sentence about "discuss personal beliefs and practices further after talking together". Or something like that. It's not as easy as requiring them to clear all the items on the a requirements list before any contact, but it may avoid discouraging valid candidates (or close) who get scared of the HR form (essentially) you have put out there now.

Religious communities, some of them, are the only place I know where you might find a pool of people who choose and practice most of your requirements. I'm can't give that source an unalloyed thumbs-up, though. Strict religious practices usually attract people with serious convictions, commitments and habits. I'm not talking about weekend retreat venues. I'm talking about monasteries where people stay for years. So there is the good, and with it may come the unbendingly odd.

A final thought. As a practical matter, your requirements aside, who, what person doing what in what situation do you (or anybody in your position) think would normally consider some kind of arrangement on your land? Most of us (some are luckier than others) have practical needs, a history which determines skills and attitudes and baggage, and responsibilities which we need to at least try to meet. Somebody above mentioned job options around you; that seems like it might matter. But really, what sort of person can pick up and commit at least months and maybe years to an uncertain situation? That takes resources of one kind or another. Youth? That's the obvious one, but youth comes with evolving changes and hormones and ignorance of just about everything, especially themselves. Older, wanting to leave the rat race? Sounds like they're taking a gamble, which is fine. But what does that mean to _you_? What do they bring to the table, how deep are they resources and commitment? Can they _afford_ to leave? I think there are a few threads here where people talk about what they learned viz woofers, volunteers, etc etc. I'm really sorry, but I don't know how to craft a search which would hit most of those threads because I come across them by accident and sometimes they're only a few posts withing a larger thread. I know Paul has developed over the past few years certain rules of thumb regarding visitors et al; he's not the only one. If I were going to dig, I would probably use google and include the "site:permies.com" phrase in the search terms; google search provides easier access to some specialized search capabilities like how old do you want the hits. Used to be far better, but it's still the best I know of. It might give you a lot of useful info if you can find discussions by people who have experienced what you're attempting.

Best luck.
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Deb,
Wow, I wish you were near St. Louis! I am vegan, and want to be part of a community that is growing its own food, using renewable power, and less reliant on the grid. But I confess I am pretty hooked into my life and career here. I think I'm looking for some sort of transitional situation. Would love to be in community where the homes were surrounded by gardens and permaculture (not yards), would love to do some amount of food raising/preserving (not full time, but as part of a team of the community, I would do it evenings/weekends, and subsidize others to do some of the work too). Anyway, wish you luck on your journey! If you ever make your way to St. Louis, send me a message, we can chat.
 
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I suggest you expand your search. Do you have a social media presence? A youtube channel, Instagram, etc can spread the word organically, and linking to a free website would help build on that. For $20 a month or it might be 30 now you can advertise on oc.org and find a larger audience looking for community. Or maybe try hosting some woofers. I have had people stay on my land off and on for over 10 years and some were great and some were a disaster. I simply got tired of all the fuss.

If you want to speed things up get a camper or basic cabin. Perhaps even a Derkson style building and you will find many more people willing to chance it. Stick to the rules like your doing. The worst thing you can do is compromise then the people coming out and you are all miserable. The entire idea behind the intentional community is finding similar ideals.  Land Buddy is also a free place to post where you might find people. The more places you post the more likely you are to find the right person.

I would suggest a profit-sharing deal like for market farming or crafts something that they can get some return on effort. Everyone ends up with some expenses and it's nice to know that you are working for a share of the profits.

Also, it sucks but when people come out they tend to want youtube riches etc and post all about what your doing. Which is fine except it can bring the wrong attention to you. Also, make a simple agreement they are not renters or employees they are guests on your property. Otherwise, you can end up with a mess.

Good luck I know there are some great people out there looking for your type of opportunity. It can just be hard to connect with them. Do not lose hope. Just keep seeking the right fit. And for everyone looking for something similar with different views on meat, guns, and pot great. There is the right opportunity out there somewhere for them as well. Most communities fail like Paul says. But the ones that make it do not compromise as much as the ones that do.

V0oldane
 
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The one thing that has been mentioned but not discussed in much detail is ownership. I know who owns the land and I've read most of the posts so I have to ask, what is the long term plan for ownership. I know you mentioned a trust, but would your tenants become the trustees after your eventual passing?
Are they able to pay the taxes?
What if they decide to move back to the city?
Who is named trustee after they pass?
Will your restrictions be conditions of the trust?
How would those conditions be enforced?
Who owns the mineral rights?
These are just questions that popped into my head. I'm not looking for your answers. I don't need to know, I ain't got a dog in your hunt. But, if I wanted a thing like what your building to continue after I pass these are the kinds of questions I'd ask myself.
 
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Sorry, was thinking about my post to you and thought of a very important question.
Will trustees be able to mortgage the property? Technically, after you pass, they could borrow the value of the place and then walk away. You might consider  placing a caveat in the trust so it can't be mortgaged.
 
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I keep thinking...it's really starting to hurt!
Your heirs might not want anything to do with your lifestyle, but are they willing to let the value of the trust go to someone else without a legal fight?
If your heirs did prefer legal action how far would the trustees go to protect something they didn't pay for? It's all about the money.
Ok, I promise. That's the last thought I'm thinking today. My wife says I do that anyway. No wonder it hurts...
 
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Hi, Deb --
I'm not as young and able-bodied as before, but am looking for a wholesome community. I'm a lifelong vegetarian, abhor smoking and vaping, no drugs or addictions, dislike carnivorous pets. Maybe I could buy a place in Branson and come help you?
Cheers, -- Lynne
 
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Hey I was wondering if you were still looking for people to join! My fiancé and I are super knowledgeable in sustainable cultivation! I grew up in the country working with animals aswell. We have 2 cats and a bunny, we live in Atl Ga at the moment but I love Missouri and I’m just looking for an Oppertunity to make my life more grounded and meaningful.
 
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Omg I've been searching for your exact offer. I'm willing to be extremely helpful with whatever is needed, in exchange for a place to stay. I have a year of experience backpacking and camping so thats fine with me, but have the money to buy a tiny house. My dream is to own a tiny house lol. I've dealt with more than my share of humidity, ticks, chiggers, and cold, no problem. I'm specifically looking for a home within the mark twain national forest, because I've backpacked through the 7 surrounding states and prefer it and being near my family. Also I'm very into the environment and have chosen the area near branson because on maps of pollution it ranks well. Roaming and foraging is a dream come true. I care so deeply about the planet, you have no idea lol its been my mission to help stop pollution and help animals. I've been a vegan for 9 years and love helping every animal. I could play with dogs all day. I've even been looking for jobs at an animal sanctuary or shelter because I enjoy it. Yes simpler and more sustainable! Its like I wrote your post or you wrote it for me. I had to sign up just to write you. I've never shot or owned a firearm and I'm the last person who will hunt or raise an animal to kill. Also, I don't smoke or do drugs. I'm very into health and ultimately my dream is to grow organic edible plants. So having space for that would be amazing, but simply being around somebody like minded would be awesome, because most prefer being in the city and I can't stand it. I'm very kind and non-confrontational, and once I find something I enjoy ill work very hard. The one thing is, I don't like being around pollution and therefore large diesels and vehicles. Just let me know, bc your post feels written for me.
 
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