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I’ve also tried growing Chicago Hardy here in SW North Carolina, and they don’t ripen in time before frost.  But the Brown Turkey do, and I have them outside against an east facing wall and most years when it doesn’t get unbearably cold for too long, they do just fine.  Winter kill but come back and produce figs almost every year.  In extremely cold years, they sometimes take a year to recover.  I have grown them indoors and got a few figs, which are dependent on both light and heat to produce.  I didn’t have a grow light, would have done better I’m sure if I did.  Just the indoor lighting which I left on a few hours in evenings to give it more grow hours.  But my house is rather cold, even in summer.  

I also grow a few culinary herbs and salad mixes on window sills here and there, and they do tolerably well.  

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I'm kicking myself for even trying, but I am seeing if I can start some avacados from storebought, even though it doesn't look good for successful fruiting here in my region, 8b isn't quite warm enough, but I can't help but want to try.  I have dreams of an intentional community with a greenhouse, where we could grow tropical plants, so here we go.
 
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Riona Abhainn wrote:I'm kicking myself for even trying, but I am seeing if I can start some avacados from storebought, even though it doesn't look good for successful fruiting here in my region, 8b isn't quite warm enough, but I can't help but want to try.  I have dreams of an intentional community with a greenhouse, where we could grow tropical plants, so here we go.



I don't understand why you're kicking yourself for trying that. There's a whole thread in permies about getting avocados to grow where they're not supposed to, even outdoors,  complete with pictures of a huge avo tree growing in... I think, London, England. If I can find it, I'll link it back here, for you.
 
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Yup - here ya go!
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Riona Abhainn wrote:"I'm kicking myself for even trying, but I am seeing if I can start some avacados from storebought, even though it doesn't look good for successful fruiting here in my region, 8b isn't quite warm enough, but I can't help but want to try."


Riona, never kick yourself for testing the limits.  You never know if it might work out!
Many years ago, I had an elderly friend who brought me a bunch of bananas he grew in his back yard which was in zone 9a, (Mississippi Gulf Coast).  Once I saw the environment his banana trees were in, I understood how he was able to do it.   They were planted against the south wall next to a central air unit.  There was a micro climate created by the heat captured in the south wall and the heat and condensate created by the central air unit.  For those who have central air, a greenhouse could be built enclosing the unit to capture the passive heat.  Maybe Paul or someone else qualified can weigh in on whether or not there would be toxic exaust, and if the condensate would contain anything we wouldn't want our food plants to take up.

 
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I'm kicking myself because I'm watching Winn's experiments in the Cascadian avacado thread and and Winn has been honest with me about how hard it is to get fruit here on a plant, because of all the obstacles, so I'm silly for trying, but we buy them often for homemade guac so the pits are always hanging around in my kitchen so I finally gave in and am trying, starting with four of them to see what happens.
 
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Sometimes my indoor setups seem to have more biodiversity, than my garden... other times, they get attacked by pests which don't have natural predators and I have to restart the whole thing.
Usually, plants indoors need additional light source, for which I'm using regular lamps with a timer (better for human eyes, than grow lamps).
Small herbivores, aquarium fish, quail etc can also be kept indoors, and you can create a worm composting system, even though smaller than in the gardens.
 
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Do microgreens count too?
This winter I started growing microgreens on my dining (etc.) table. So it's in the house and it's food. :-)

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Riona Abhainn wrote:I'm kicking myself because I'm watching Winn's experiments in the Cascadian avacado thread and and Winn has been honest with me about how hard it is to get fruit here on a plant, because of all the obstacles, so I'm silly for trying, but we buy them often for homemade guac so the pits are always hanging around in my kitchen so I finally gave in and am trying, starting with four of them to see what happens.



I still don't think it's silly, at all, and I want to try it, too - here, in my zone 6 Ozarks home in the woods! If they can do it outside, in London, I'm sure we can figure out a way to do it in our even more temperate homes, somehow.
 
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Flora Eerschay wrote:Sometimes my indoor setups seem to have more biodiversity, than my garden... other times, they get attacked by pests which don't have natural predators and I have to restart the whole thing.
Usually, plants indoors need additional light source, for which I'm using regular lamps with a timer (better for human eyes, than grow lamps).
Small herbivores, aquarium fish, quail etc can also be kept indoors, and you can create a worm composting system, even though smaller than in the gardens.



Hubby did indoor vermiculture, our first winter here. He gave up on it, indoors, but some of those worms' descendants are still thriving in my container gardens, on the deck. After we got the dogs, we struggled to keep the bigger one out of it, lol.
 
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Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:Do microgreens count too?
This winter I started growing microgreens on my dining (etc.) table. So it's in the house and it's food. :-)



They do, as far as my opinion counts! I love microgreens! They have such vibrant nutrition and flavor, on the plate, and a lovely variety of green in the house. Microgreens are a definite contender!
 
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Megan Palmer wrote:We grow several chili plants that overwinter indoors  and they fruit well. One of them is at least six years old, I prune it hard every year and even if all the leaves drop it manages to bounce back.

The leaves all drop if I forget to bring it back inside and it gets frosted.

Basil and cherry tomatoes do well indoors for me too.

We don't get any direct sun for about six weeks in wi ter but fortunately,  our house is very light.

I have a couple of Okinawa spinach plants growing at the community garden but hadn't thought of potting them up to grow indoors, will definitely try that too.



Megan, thank you so much for sharing this- I had no idea chilis could be so hardy, or how successful even summer plants could be! I’ve been growing some carrot+ beet greens from root cuttings in little plates of water with punches of soil over the last couple of years, but I usually compost them when winter passes. I’m wondering; do you think they could keep growing year after year if put in soil? Could they keep growing if left in water? Would love to hear your thoughts/experiments :)
 
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I dug up a couple of plants out of ground and will keep them indoors over the winter. One is a dark opal basil, it's very aromatic and I only need a little bit for seasoning each time. The other is a 5-color pepper. It's too spicy for eating but the bright fruits can last for months like little Christmas lights!
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Basil and pepper as winter indoor plants
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May Lotito wrote:... a 5-color pepper. It's too spicy for eating ...


That's lovely colourfull pepper!
I think I would try it in dishes too, maybe only a few thin slices in a whole meal. I imagine it's like Indonesian quisine.
 
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Megan Palmer wrote:We grow several chili plants that overwinter indoors  ....
The leaves all drop if I forget to bring it back inside and it gets frosted.



All I bother with is pepper plants and ditto: I can revive slightly frosted peppers that have lost their leaves but haven't had the frost land directly on them. It's nice to see someone else doing this!
 
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Here's my first ever pair of Avocado trees. One sprouted a month or so, ago, the other just sprouted, Saturday. They're both from avo seeds from the grocery store. I'm hoping they survive and fruit!
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Big one...
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Teeny-tiny one...
Teeny-tiny one...
 
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Carla Burke wrote:Here's my first ever pair of Avocado trees. One sprouted a month or so, ago, the other just sprouted, Saturday. They're both from avo seeds from the grocery store. I'm hoping they survive and fruit!


Great start!
My advice for avocado plants:
- control the leaves regularly if there aren't any tiny insects sticking on them (sucking saps out of the plant),. If those are there do your best to remove them. Do this carefully by hand so  the plant doesn't get damaged, or (if you are not totally against it) use organic poison pyrethrum to kill the insects.
- give the plant a spot in half sun half shadow where it can stay year round for as long as possible. Avocado plants do not like to be moved. If you really have to move it, do this slowly and carefully. I put my avocado plant with its large pot on a sort-of trolly with four small wheels, so it can be moved back and forth if needed without movement in the plant itself.
-if it needs pruning don't cut off too much. Best is only one leaf at a time.

I still have the same avocado houseplant I showed here before. After some major problems it now looks fairly well again.
 
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Inge, the 5-coloe pepper is simply hot without much flavor. People use them in the mix of other peppers in the chilli sauce.

Now I am getting more fond of potted citrus trees because they are very productive and easy to care. I harvested over 70 Mexican limes from one plant and had to trim it down vigorously to get it through the door. The other plant in the picture is a 2nd year seedling yuzu and I let it grow tall and narrow for easier management. I'd like to add kumquat to the collection if I come across one in the store.
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Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:Great start!
My advice for avocado plants:
- control the leaves regularly if there aren't any tiny insects sticking on them (sucking saps out of the plant),. If those are there do your best to remove them. Do this carefully by hand so  the plant doesn't get damaged, or (if you are not totally against it) use organic poison pyrethrum to kill the insects.
- give the plant a spot in half sun half shadow where it can stay year round for as long as possible. Avocado plants do not like to be moved. If you really have to move it, do this slowly and carefully. I put my avocado plant with its large pot on a sort-of trolly with four small wheels, so it can be moved back and forth if needed without movement in the plant itself.
-if it needs pruning don't cut off too much. Best is only one leaf at a time.

I still have the same avocado houseplant I showed here before. After some major problems it now looks fairly well again.


Hi, Inge! Thanks for all the advice! I'd read, I think in the big avocado tree thread about growing them outdoors, in Europe, about them hating to be moved, so I put them in pretty big pots - as big as I can manage (so they wouldn't need transplanting), and set the pots on little furniture dollies, with sturdy casters, so I could roll them around on the deck and in/out of the house, as needed, disturbing the roots as little as possible. So far, no bugs on them, thankfully.

Prune them one leaf at a time? I'm not sure I understand? This is where I'm most concerned - how to prune them so they don't get too big, without killing them, or preventing them from fruiting.
 
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Prune them one leaf at a time? I'm not sure I understand? This is where I'm most concerned - how to prune them so they don't get too big, without killing them, or preventing them from fruiting.


I mean: if you want to prune, don't wait until it's too big and then cut off large pieces. Better not wait too long, but cut small pieces (a little twig with only one leaf, or maybe a few) when they start growing in a wrong direction.

I did wait too long and now my avocado is 'out of proportion', one long branch in a different direction than all others.
If you are in a climate where the avocado will give flowers and fruits, you are very lucky! I don't think I'll have to prevent it from fruiting, probably it won't even have flowers.
 
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Thank you, Inge, that makes sense. These will be indoor/outdoor trees, coming in, for winter, going out for summer (which is why I put them on the wheels), and I'm truly hoping for fruit. It gets hot and humid here (zone 6b), during the summer, with loads of sun, so... maybe.
 
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I rescued one volunteer tomato in the potato patch last November and grew it in a bucket. It has been growing well and putting out trusses of cherry tomatoes.
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Fall potato patch Nov 19 2024, tomato on right
Fall potato patch Nov 19 2024, tomato on right
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Single tomato plant in bucket
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Fresh cherry tomatoes in winter
 
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