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Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
Or better yet, give some thought to doing things in ways that don't require electricity....
Steve Farmer wrote:75W average over an 8 hour period maybe. But the same person could knock out 250W+ in bursts.
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Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
I don't understand refrigeration in an offgrid lifestyle... It is one of the most energy intensive applications, and it does a task which can be easily avoided... For me, it's much easier to conserve the electricity by doing without refrigeration than it is to have a big enough system to run a refrigerator.
Charli Wilson wrote:Olympic cyclist Robert Förstemann creating 700W to make toast: http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latestnews/olympiccyclistversustoastercanforstemanntoastasliceofbreadvideo175175
Looks like hard work.
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Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
When I live without refrigeration, I change the nature of the foods I eat, how I cook them, how I store them, etc...
Instead of storing premade sauces under refrigeration, I add spices directly to the cooking pot.
I don't much care for raw foods, but most raw vegetables don't need to be refrigerated, and store remarkably well without refrigeration, even though we are in a habit of refrigerating them.
I eat more fermented foods when I don't have refrigeration.
I eat more seasonally, and more bingingly... If I cook a chicken in the summer I eat the whole chicken during the day.
It seems to me that the foodhandler permit process has seriously damaged people's perceptions regarding what foods can be safely eaten the next day even without refrigeration.
A trained cyclist can produce about 400 watts of mechanical power for an hour or more, but adults of good average fitness average between 50 and 150 watts for an hour of vigorous exercise. A healthy wellfed laborer over the course of an 8hour work shift can sustain an average output of about 75 watts.[1] The yield of electric power is decreased by the lack of efficiency of the humanpowered generator, no known generators are 100% efficient.
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Larry Noel wrote:Make sense?
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Larry Noel wrote:I need to make an input here. What is being discussed here is "mechanical watts" which is in reality not related to "electrical watts." "Mechanical watts" is a mathematical function between calories burned and horsepower output. "Electrical watts" is a mathematical function of volts times amps. While it may take 400 "mechanical watts" to power a bicycle for a given time, that physical energy of the wheel turning can be used to turn a car alternator which will have an electrical wattage output that is in no mathematical relationship to the mechanical watts consumed. Make sense?
Several years ago I had an old 26" English racer with the super skinny tires. and I took the rear tire off the rim, got the longest fan belt that they had at the auto parts store, and built a plywood stand to hold the bike upright. I got a 100 amp single wire alternator and rigged up a spring tensioned mount in line with the fan belt and hooked it up. The single wire alts need 12 volts in the system to "excite the field" and turn the electric magnets on to start generating amps. I am not sure what RPMs are needed, but as long as that speed is maintained the thing will make amps. I ran it once with a meter on it and it was putting out 13.8 volts at 85 amps at the speed I was pedaling and that is a pretty good rate to charge a battery at. Anyway I had my proof of concept working and I put it away and it is in the "just in case" worst case file...ready to go. In a worst case where all you had was this and a dead battery a solar panel could be enough to "excite the field" and make it start generating amps. Watts = Amps times volts so 100 amps at 12 volts is 1200 watts. Pedal for an hour and you should have 1200 watt hours stored. Thats the theory at least. Like I said, it works and I put it into the special file as a back up to may back up. Cost: $20 for bike+$100 for alternator+$30 fan belt=$150 experiment and a few hours and nuts and bolts with scrap plywood. I call it my "Gilligan's Island" generator.
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Larry Noel wrote:from wikipedia: "The watt (symbol: W) is a derived unit of power in the International System of Units (SI), named after the Scottish engineer James Watt (1736–1819). The unit is defined as joule per second[1] and can be used to express the rate of energy conversion or transfer with respect to time. It has dimensions of L2MT−3."
In other words.... scientific "consensus" has muddied the waters to the point that no one can see anything. "The watt (symbol: W) is a derived unit of power" (from above) ... note the term "derived" ... this is a "science by consensus" term to "define" things and to ultimately limit knowledge. I contend that there is little relationship, other than the manipulated mathematical one derived by "consensus science", that is in any way relative to reality. I have built, tested, and have the working model to prove that one can run a alternator with bicycle power and generate electricity ... no matter what "consensus" and "mathematics" says is possible. Tesla ran across this problem, but I am in no way comparing myself to him, just using his experience with "known science" to illustrate my point of "known mathematics" and "consensus science."
Isn't that what permaculture is all about? Breaking all of the "rules" and finding ways that really work? Never mind what the science and the manipulated mathematics tell you, just dig in and experiment ... follow that little voice in your head that says "what if...." and dare to try something that the "consensus science" says that will not work through their manipulative mathematics of "derived units." Remember that mathematics and numbers only exist in man's mind and not in "nature." You will never see a mathematical equation in your garden, unless you subscribe to "science by consensus" and look (very hard) for it.
Just dig in and break the mold and try something new. That is how rocket stoves have been developed and improved over time. Then share your results for others to try to improve on. That is all I am doing here. Try it ... you'll like it! Or prove me to be a fool. Either way ... how can you lose?
PS: I am not interested in selling electricity, power, or anything else, I am just extremely lazy and just want to have the best possible life with the lest work extended and that is the basis for all of my experimentation. If necessity was the mother of invention ... laziness was its father. I built my working model on a hunch and it worked, and I filed it away for future use if needed. I am in no way trying to sell or profit from this "knowledge" that I have stumbled upon, just sharing freely. If you don't think this will work .... try it and prove me wrong. I have nothing to lose and I have a working prototype for my extreme needs.
Larry Noel wrote:I have built, tested, and have the working model to prove that one can run a alternator with bicycle power and generate electricity.
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Critical thinking skills are critical at the juncture we find ourselves at, and we can arm ourselves and most importantly the future generations with the "Trivium Method" of critical analysis. For more information read chapter one of my book for free here http://www.theillusionsapocalypse.com/chapter1.html
Success has a Thousand Fathers , Failure is an Orphan
LOOK AT THE " SIMILAR THREADS " BELOW !
Critical thinking skills are critical at the juncture we find ourselves at, and we can arm ourselves and most importantly the future generations with the "Trivium Method" of critical analysis. For more information read chapter one of my book for free here http://www.theillusionsapocalypse.com/chapter1.html
Larry Noel wrote:from wikipedia: "The watt (symbol: W) is a derived unit of power in the International System of Units (SI), named after the Scottish engineer James Watt (1736–1819). The unit is defined as joule per second[1] and can be used to express the rate of energy conversion or transfer with respect to time. It has dimensions of L2MT−3."
In other words.... scientific "consensus" has muddied the waters to the point that no one can see anything. "The watt (symbol: W) is a derived unit of power" (from above) ... note the term "derived" ... this is a "science by consensus" term to "define" things and to ultimately limit knowledge. I contend that there is little relationship, other than the manipulated mathematical one derived by "consensus science", that is in any way relative to reality. I have built, tested, and have the working model to prove that one can run a alternator with bicycle power and generate electricity ... no matter what "consensus" and "mathematics" says is possible. Tesla ran across this problem, but I am in no way comparing myself to him, just using his experience with "known science" to illustrate my point of "known mathematics" and "consensus science."
Isn't that what permaculture is all about? Breaking all of the "rules" and finding ways that really work? Never mind what the science and the manipulated mathematics tell you, just dig in and experiment ... follow that little voice in your head that says "what if...." and dare to try something that the "consensus science" says that will not work through their manipulative mathematics of "derived units." Remember that mathematics and numbers only exist in man's mind and not in "nature." You will never see a mathematical equation in your garden, unless you subscribe to "science by consensus" and look (very hard) for it.
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Larry Noel wrote: If we rather choose to redefine things as we have proven to ourselves, rather than accepting what we have been "taught," then we have a unbiased view of reality that can be expanded upon. If we only use the mathematics and definitions that are supplied to us, we would be biased to the opinions and teachings of others, and we would be limited to the view of a flat earth where the solar system revolves around it. Rules were made to be broken and there are very few "hard fast rules of science" that have lasted more than 20 years before being over turned.
This does not exclude the fact that a "Mechanical watt" is an entirely different animal from an "electrical watt" no matter how the mathematics can be manipulated to describe otherwise. Apples are apples and oranges are oranges no matter how one may mathematically prove they are both fruits.
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