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I wondered off to ask a question from what use to be my favourite cooking website. Haven't been there in a year because every time I asked something unusual (like how to cook something home grown), I got shat on by a bunch of you-cant-chas. Youcantcha do this youcantcha do that. It was so discouraging. Even when I went and figured it out for myself, and proved I did it (to the best ability you can prove something on the internet), they still told me it was impossible. I've recently learned that these negative nellies are called 'trolls'. At least that's what I think they are called. They really bug me.

Anyway, all I really wanted to know is if there was some difference in the way we cook goose egg when substituting them in chicken egg recipe. Maybe a few inspirational ideas to go with it. OH MY G! One little type-O and this troll jumps down my throat because my geese eggs don't conform to what the internet says they should. I'm an evil, bad, bad person. If the internet says a thing must be so, than it must be so!

Now I'm stubborn. If someone on the internet says it can't be done, and I think it can, I'll probably go and do it. But imagine if I wasn't stubborn. What if I believed them? Should I cull my flock of geese because they make eggs that don't conform to the internet's opinion of what a goose egg is? Can you imagine what kind of effect that negativity has on people reading a thread like that? I was getting close to tears there for a moment and I'm use to that kind of response. I mean everything I want to do in my life is something that can't be done... or at least that's what I believed before I found permies.com

Here at permies, people are not only doing things I want to do, but they are sharing their experiences and being encouraging about it.

It means the world to me to have a place to talk about homesteading and all these wonderful topics. What's more, the people here aren't jackasses. You guys are knowledgeable and kind. Even if you think a thing probably can't be done, you don't youcantcha on the poor person, you encourage them. It is the members of the forum that really make the place. I can't say how much I appreciate you all being so helpful.

Today's experience really reminded me of how great the people on this forum are, and I'm starting to gush now, so I'll just say one more thing.

Thank you Paul for hosting this community and building a safe place where gentle souls can talk about permaculture.


ps, let's fix the internet. It seems to be grossly uninformed about goose eggs and completely lacking in scrummy goose egg recipes.
 
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R Ranson wrote:What's more, the people here aren't jackasses.



Actually, some of us totally are. We just try not to do it here because this ain't the place for that. I promise you, I can jackass with the best of them!
 
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Actually, some of us totally are. We just try not to do it here because this ain't the place for that. I promise you, I can jackass with the best of them!



Maybe that's the difference between people that hang out here and these troll creatures. Even if we can be a bit...um... difficult in real life (and I include myself in the smartass category for real life donkeys), the people here at least understand that the other participants on the forum are also real people. Everyone here has feelings, and everyone here is human. I think that's fantastic.


Days like today, I wish I was like Paul and had my little army of minions. I could spread my arms dramatically and say (with a most awesome wicked witch laugh), go forth and poop positivity all over that site.
 
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Yes! I have experienced this phenomenon. It's like (certain) people in other parts of the internet build their egos on being the expert on what other people can't/shouldn't/are-dumb-to-try-to do. What kind of accomplishment is that? Far better to be able to say, "I don't *think* you can, but maybe if you try _______." Engage your imagination and dare to become your own expert instead of stopping dead where the "can'ts" begin.
 
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I've only been on line for four years...and I feel really fortunate that permies was my first on line experience.
I've even gone searching for other forums to join and find many, in areas that interest me, have little moderation other than for spam.
After spending a couple years behind the scenes here, I appreciate what goes on back there even more.
From out front now, it's not always as apparent how much work goes into moderation to make this a safe place to play
 
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I agree Judith , it's a bit like the rangers and the hobbits in Lord of the rings the Rangers keep out trolls too
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This site is one flavor. One vision of how a website should be. Naturally, there will be thousands of different ideas on how a website like this should be managed - most of those ideas will come from people who have never managed a website like this before.

I managed online communities back in the eighties. And then the early 90's. And then the Internet became popular and then I started managing online communities in the late 90s on the Internet. My own philosophies have changed a lot over the decades.

There's a couple of bookshelves full of experiences that led to my choices on how to manage this Site. Mostly, I decided to be terribly selfish. I did not designed this site to be the only site on the internet. I designed this site to be a place where I can talk about the things I like talking about in the way I like talking about them. And with a bit of luck there could be a few other people who also like to talk about the same things in the same way. It just turns out to be that there are a lot of people that fit this style.

I have heard from thousands of people that the way that I manage these forums is the wrong way. I encourage them to start their own forums and if their analysis is correct then their forums will prosper and mine will shrivel and die. Seems they think it is too much work and what would be easier is if I could just be their puppet. Usually the next step is that the way to control a puppet is through a lot of hostile language - I get the impression that this really does work with other people. And when it doesn't work here these people get even more frustrated.

This is not the only way. This might not even be the best way. It's just the way that I like best at this time. And I'm glad to find a lot of people who also like it this way. Thanks for saying something about it!
 
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This is one of the two places on the internet I feel "safe," because even when I act like an idiot, nobody tells me "you're an idiot." Instead, they gently suggest ways I can avoid acting like an idiot. So I also want to say thank you.

 
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