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I have a limited supply of Siberian Pea Shrub seeds from this past season for sale. Before I offer them for sale in my local community, I wanted to give my friends on Permies a chance to purchase them at a discount.

You can read more on the wiki page here: Caragana arborescens
My shrubs have been the easiest thing to care for in the garden... Basically I planted them and then walked away. That was 5 years ago and they are going strong as ever.

All of the seed was harvested during the summer of 2017. They were hand processed and sorted by me personally. Past germination tests have regularly surpassed 95% and seedling survival after one year has been the same.

Packages of 100 seeds for $10 (US dollars). If you wish to buy larger quantities, please PM me to make arrangements as seed availability is limited.

Currently, I cannot ship outside of the United States. Sorry for the inconvenience.

We can arrange payment through pay pal or if you prefer, snail mail is also an option. PM me for those details along with any questions you have about what I'm offering.

Here's a picture of a 3 year old siberian pea shrub to the left of a red mulberry of the same age.

(edited to reflect 2017 harvest and price)

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Some reading suggests this might not be the most vigorous plant when grown in the south, which could actually be a positive feature for me. If this could be maintained as a small to medium shrub it would work well both to border other plantings (edging garden beds, hedge in side yard) and as a nitrogen fixer for under my fruit trees. I already grow some false indigo for the same reasons, but more species would be even better. The flowers are absolutely gorgeous.

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I had never heard the name Siberian Pea Shrub until a few months ago - up north we just call it caragana. It is used as a hedge all over the place. On our farm we had huge caragana hedges along the road to keep the dust down. They grew upwards of 15 feet. They are prickly and can grow quite dense, so they make a great hedge to keep wildlife out, and kids in!

Bees absolutely LOVE caragana. The local honey people would put hives on our property to take advantage of our huge caragana hedges. In the fall we would get a 5 gallon pail of honey from them! I also have a friend up north who uses the wood to make lathe-turned pens and other cool things.

I am hoping they grow where I live now, as I want to use it for hedging and chicken food, in and around my chicken areas next year. And for attracting the bees.

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For those of us unfamiliar with it, http://www.louistheplantgeek.com/a-gardening-journal/837-caragana-arborescens He clearly is focused on ornamental gardening, but I don't remember the last time I saw such a complete write up on a plant. I'm still concerned it would be too vigorous for my space... back to searching.

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I'm working on editing a video of my shrubs as they progress through the seasons. I've got footage of them in flower full of bees and all throughout the fruiting (podding) stage and even bits of the drying and sorting process.

I've heard a few people say that they spread around but if you have chickens, I wouldn't worry too much about the seeds. They eat em up quick!

I've never had a random seedling show up despite leaving lots of seed on the ground and hoping that they would spread. Mine grow slow enough that if one popped up in an unwelcome place, I have no doubt that I could easily move it to a better location.

I have a small nursery plot with about 200 seedlings in it that were transplanted last spring. The tallest is about a foot tall and the smallest is less than three inches. I gave them no special attention after transplanting and all survived. They will all be transplanted again in the spring to become a new windbreak hedge.

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Just a quick picture of some seed from this season. I've got a few to share... LOL

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Ooh yes, I'd like to have some. I'll send you a purple moosage.

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Rebecca Norman wrote:Ooh yes, I'd like to have some. I'll send you a purple moosage.

Thank you Rebecca!

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Here's a video I shot that takes you through the whole season of a siberian pea shrub plant from flowering all the way to harvest. I'll show you how to know when they are ready and how easy it is to harvest the seeds. If you have a few minutes, please watch and give me your feedback. I'm long winded but I hope that the info is worth it. Thanks for watching.

I still have some seed available from these exact shrubs. Thanks to all who have supported me so far. You're great!

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I can now send a digital Paypal invoice to anyone via email. Just PM me with your email address, physical address (still US only) and the quantity of seed you would like. I'll send the detailed invoice to you via email which you can pay by Paypal or credit card. I'll get a notice when that happens and then I'll drop your seeds in the mail ASAP.

Thank again everyone. You permies are great people!

I'm surprised at some of the places that these seeds will go to. I feel like I'm spreading my food forest all over the world.

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Craig was kind enough to send me some seeds in the past and mine are all doing great. They aren't very big yet, but they didn't have much growing time before winter got here. They are planted next to the chicken run with hopes that the seeds will be chicken treats before to long

I'm growing mine in very heavy clay soil. I didn't do anything for them at all after planting them except pull a few weeds that were over-running them to the point that I was afraid they weren't going to get enough sun.

If you are looking for good, viable seeds, Craig's worked out well for me.

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I'm heading out to the Post Office tomorrow to mail the first seed packs out for the season. This is a trial run for lot of other seed, root and scion products that I hope to spread out to my fellow permies. I'll be processing Paypal orders until about 8pm tonight for tomorrows' mailing. If you want to get in on the first run, PM me with your order, email address and physical address and I can email you an invoice that you can pay securely and immediately with Paypal or credit/debit card. All orders completed by 8pm today will be sent out tomorrow morning first thing.

My next trip to town after tomorrow will be Wednesday.

Thanks again everyone!

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One of my favorite things about trading and selling/buying with other permies is that I always get a second harvest aside from the initial one. In this case, I've received some much needed funds from these seed sales and ALSO some very nice handwritten letters from other permies. It's a good time of year to read a handwritten letter from a like-minded person. Some of you also write on very nice paper. Penmanship... superb! Overall, this is just a lot of fun to do. Thank you permie people!

Seed is still available. I'll probably be planting mine at around the middle of March. It's been a mild year, so I think I can get away with it.

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Craig Dobbelyu wrote:Seed is still available. I'll probably be planting mine at around the middle of March. It's been a mild year, so I think I can get away with it.

How close to your last frost date is this? I guess I need to plant mine earlier being further south.

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Joylynn Hardesty wrote:

Craig Dobbelyu wrote:Seed is still available. I'll probably be planting mine at around the middle of March. It's been a mild year, so I think I can get away with it.

How close to your last frost date is this? I guess I need to plant mine earlier being further south.

Sometimes it's as early as the end of April for me. Most of the time I just aim for the second week of May as far as a last spring frost.
I plant my peashrub seeds in deep trays and just leave them out in a somewhat protected area, once I'm fairly sure that I'm past the really super freezes. Frost or freeze isn't going to make a difference to them for the most part. They are super tough little seedlings. Once the weather gets to the right temp, they'll begin to sprout. They know what to do

I have noticed that they tend to sprout in groups. So 50 percent of the seeds will sprout pretty fast (within two weeks) while the rest seem to wait a little longer, as if they are making sure not to go to early. It's kinda funny because I always have this feeling like half my seed has failed and then a couple weeks later, BAM, there they are. And they catch up quickly to the others.

If the weather is beginning to break where you are, I say... go for it. OR...Maybe take the safe route and plant some sooner and some later. Let me know how it goes.
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Attention: If you have a local garden/forest project that's part of a school, church, community garden, senior center or other noble cause, I would like to donate some seed to them. Here's the deal, for anyone who buys 100 or more Siberian Peashrub seeds, I'll send an extra 25 seeds directly to the organization of your choice. I'll pay the postage. I'll include growing instructions and a note that tells the recipient that it's a gift from you (if you wish).

PM me with the following details and I'll make it happen.

Where you want YOUR seed sent to
Where you want the DONATED seed to go to (school, church, community center, etc)
YOUR email address to send a Paypal Invoice
If you prefer a cash payment through the mail and I'll provide you with mailing details for that. Just ask.

All of the other details are covered in the thread above I think, but if you have questions, ask away.

I'm starting to make spring planting preparations, so I imagine most of you are probably already planting and growing. All I see is four feet of snow and we're getting another foot tonight. YAY! So it's a good time for me to package seed and write notes. If you want to share in the fun of expanding my food forest all over the world, and know a good group of folks that could use some Siberian Peashrub seed, let's work together and spread the wealth.

Thanks again everyone

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Would like some Siberian Peashrub seeds, but can't figure out how to contact you directly!

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Judith Driscoll wrote:Would like some Siberian Peashrub seeds, but can't figure out how to contact you directly!

Sure thing! Just click on my name, which will bring you to my profile. Then scroll down and press the button that says "PM" next to the words "Purple Mooseage". That will allow you to contact me privately with your order and mailing details. Thanks

If you have further trouble, let me know and I'll get you some technical help if I can.

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I just realized that I didn't really make a set of clear growing instructions. Sorry. Here you go!

Growing Instructions:

Plant seeds roughly a quarter inch deep in well-draining potting mix. I use a mix of peat moss, sand, compost and worm castings. Seeds are best grown in deep trays or in individual containers. They have a long taproot so the deeper the better. Those tree planting tubes are good if you have them.

I set the trays out in a protected place immediately after sowing seeds, where they can get a little sun but where they won't overheat. I do this after the hard freezing weather is over and the frosts are becoming less frequent. The seedlings will emerge just as the weather begins to warm. My experience is that some seed will sprout as early as two weeks after planting, the rest might take up to six weeks. Be patient. Once they have a couple of true leaves, I plant them out into nursery beds for the season. They are very hardy and durable, but they do appreciate a little care when they first get moved from one location to another.

Happy Growing

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Last call everyone! In one week I'll be planting every seed that I have left in my stock as part of my effort to do major work on my larger piece of land. If you want Siberian Peashrub seed for planting this year, let me know by Friday March 10th. On the 11th everything else is going in the ground.

Siberian peashrub mayhem. LOL

Thanks for the support everyone. It's been a lot of fun doing this seed sale.

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Found this idea using Siberian Pea Shrub. In the comments, at the bottom, the author provides a link to show how his idea worked out.

http://www.nordicminifarm.com/2014/04/laying-siberian-peashrub-hedge/

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Hi all,
Just wanted to chime in and say that I got some seeds from Craig this year and did a test planting of six with 100% success. I ordered seeds last year from a "professional" seed company and had 0% success despite trying multiple techniques they recommended...

Thanks again Craig!

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David Irby wrote:Hi all,
Just wanted to chime in and say that I got some seeds from Craig this year and did a test planting of six with 100% success. I ordered seeds last year from a "professional" seed company and had 0% success despite trying multiple techniques they recommended...

Thanks again Craig!

Dave

That's great news David! I'm glad to hear that you're having good luck with them. Thanks for the feedback as well.

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Alan Kirk wrote: Found this idea using Siberian Pea Shrub. In the comments, at the bottom, the author provides a link to show how his idea worked out.

http://www.nordicminifarm.com/2014/04/laying-siberian-peashrub-hedge/

That is the best explanation I've ever seen of what you're doing when you make the cuts for laying a hedge. It makes me want to look for an excuse have a hedge on our property. Maybe along the fence that we'll eventually have to replace. I wonder if I could get it dense enough to keep out the neighbors pit bull mix? Sweetest dog in the world, but very hyper. He's already torn some boards off our fence.

Thanks for the inspiration.

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Thank you Craig! There was very good germination from the seeds you sent me. This photo is a couple of weeks ago.

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Rebecca Norman wrote:Thank you Craig! There was very good germination from the seeds you sent me. This photo is a couple of weeks ago.

I'm so glad that they are growing well for you. Their parents are just flowering out today. Looks like it's going to be another bountiful year for peashrubs.

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I am sorry for backpacking on this chat, but can I ask if you agree with me on the identification of this plant I picked locally? Is it the pea shrub plant?

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I just saw this, and it looks like they would be a great part of a food forest... will you be selling seeds again next year? And, will they grow well in Tennessee? I am in Florida, but would want to send some to my sister in Tennessee. Thank you.

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beth Cromwell wrote:I just saw this, and it looks like they would be a great part of a food forest... will you be selling seeds again next year? And, will they grow well in Tennessee? I am in Florida, but would want to send some to my sister in Tennessee. Thank you.

As a matter of fact, I've just finished harvesting this year's crop of seed. If you want some ,just send me a PM and we'll work it out. I can send you the seeds by the weekend but I would suggest waiting til spring to get them started in the ground. They like the cold.

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2017 seed crop is now available for sale. See original post for details and updates.

100 seeds: $10

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Yes I think I would like some seed for this coming spring. Sending you a purple moosage.

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[quote=Shalom Eigenheimer]Yes I think I would like some seed for this coming spring. Sending you a purple moosage.[/quote]

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I still have some seed available if anyone is interested in them. I'll be putting together all of my other seed sale offers this weekend so keep an eye out for them as well.

Thanks for your support
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I finally got around to organizing my seed bins. Here's a link to the full list of my 2017 harvested seeds for sale. Full Seed List

In the spring I'll have root cuttings, raspberries, grapes, scion wood from 10 apple varieties and much more. Check it out and see if there's something you might like.

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My peashrubs from your seeds are doing great. This is a picture of my first one.

I tried starting them with heat and they liked that. I also started some 'cold' at about 65 degrees F. They liked that too.

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I'm so happy to see them growing well for you. That one looks nice and happy. I hope the others are doing just as well.

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Craig Dobbson wrote:R,
I'm so happy to see them growing well for you. That one looks nice and happy. I hope the others are doing just as well.

The others are a bit slower, about a week behind. This one really likes our version of "room temperature". But the others seem to have taken off when we put the heat pad under them. I think they will be bigger than this one in a week or two. We'll be planting a whole lot more at the end of next month when I get my tables back and the days are a little bit lighter.

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I've been saving every plastic container I can get my hands on so that I can start a huge number of these. I want to make a staggered hedge that will grow together into a barrier over time. I've got a years worth of yogurt, cottage cheese, peanut butter and popcorn containers, plus tons of other odd cups and jars. The weather is going to start to break soon, so I'm going to get them started soon to make the most of the early growing season.

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Hello, do you still have siberian pea tree seeds available for sale? I am VERY interested in buying some for my forest garden in southern Chile and right now I have a friend visiting the States for a few more weeks who could bring them to me! Is there any chance? If not, do you know of another source Stateside? Here in Chile the chances I be able to get this seed are very, very low. Thank you for your time! Christine

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I would like to get some seeds if there are any available now. Thanks

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