• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Nancy Reading
  • Carla Burke
  • r ranson
  • John F Dean
  • paul wheaton
  • Pearl Sutton
stewards:
  • Jay Angler
  • Liv Smith
  • Leigh Tate
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • Timothy Norton
gardeners:
  • thomas rubino
  • Jeremy VanGelder
  • Maieshe Ljin

how to extract lanolin from wool

 
Posts: 8924
Location: Ozarks zone 7 alluvial, clay/loam with few rocks 50" yearly rain
2401
4
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

do you have any more details on how to extract lanolin. You mention boiling? Is there more to it than just boiling, or can it be extracted effectively by just boiling? Thank you so much!



Nicole, I got curious about this and ran across a short video....apparently bringing the wool to a boil is the main part of the initial process.  From my experience with natural dyes I'm fairly certain that this won't necessarily hurt the wool as long as it's done slowly up to temperature (maybe a slow simmer rather than a rolling boil?) and not agitated or suddenly immersed in cold water.  This video makes it look fairly simple and I love the stove used. There was no mention of cleaning the lanolin/wool wax/wool grease after skimming off....Maybe would need remelting and straining at least?  I think it looks completely possible on a small scale.

I might try this with the last bit of unwashed fleece that I have and see if I still like it to spin after that.  I really enjoy spinning wool with some lanolin left in and this might make it too dry.


edit
to add a bit of info from another site... http://www.pbs.org/weta/roughscience/series3/shakers/handcream.html

To extract the lanolin from unwashed wool you boil the wool in water for a few hours, adding salt to improve the yield of lanolin. Next, you reduce the solution by boiling off most of the water. After you filter any undissolved solid material from the hot solution and let it cool, you should be left with a pale-yellow waxy solid floating on the surface of the water. This is impure lanolin. You can purify it, as we did on the show, by taking the crude lanolin and shaking it with a mixture of olive oil and water. The impurities will dissolve into the water and the oil, leaving you with a solid layer of off-white, waxy 'purified' lanolin suspended between the oil and water.


I wonder at the way they suggest 'purifying' the lanolin....now I really want to try this.
On rereading this I think it wouldn't damage the wool either.....at first I thought they were suggesting reducing while the wool was still in the vat....not sure the salt would be necessary? especially if we wanted some lanolin left in the fleece.

http://queenbeefibers.blogspot.com/2012/06/how-to-seperate-lanolin-from-wool.html

Step one- Fill a large pot with hot water (pot should be large enough to fit your wool)

Step two- Put the raw wool in a laundry bag and place in pot

Step three- Add salt (1-3 tablespoons)

Step four- Bring water to a steady boil for a few hours. Do not leave wool unattended. Add water as needed.

Step five- Remove wool from water and place in a container to dry. (Water is very hot so do this with gloves and tongs)

Step six- Continue to boil water until it all evaporates. What is left is the lanolin!

Step seven- Pour the leftover lanolin though cheese cloth or muslin. This will remove dirt and debris.

Step eight- Allow lanolin to cool then jar!

 
steward & author
Posts: 38467
Location: Left Coast Canada
13712
8
books chicken cooking fiber arts sheep writing
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
This began as a post in the the raising sheep only for wool thread.  But it's so darn awesome, it deserves a thread of its own.  

Thanks Judith for posting about this topic.  I'm excited to try it, but unfortunately, all my sheep are low lanolin breeds.  I'll have to find some with more grease in their wool.  

I could see this as a useful step in preparing wool for dyeing.

Anyone try this?  What was it like?
 
gardener
Posts: 2514
Location: Ladakh, Indian Himalayas at 10,500 feet, zone 5
838
trees food preservation solar greening the desert
  • Likes 6
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I'm not the type to post about skin care products, but seriously, I started using lanolin on my face last year and It. Is. Great. I live in the desert and am not getting any younger, and scented products end up hurting my eyes later in the day, so I was cycling through different unscented commercial products that didn't work that well, or oils like apricot oil that seemed to work well initially but later turned out to be basting my face like a pastry getting crispy in an oven. But lanolin, oh yeah, that really works! I bought some kind of purified lanolin off amazon in the US, and I'm a total convert.

About the purification method above, since oils float, I don't see why it's necessary to boil all the water away before taking the lanolin. And then shaking it with water and oil? Why not skim the lanolin off the top in the first place, or cool the water with the lanolin on top? But since I've never done anything like it I could be totally wrong.
 
Judith Browning
Posts: 8924
Location: Ozarks zone 7 alluvial, clay/loam with few rocks 50" yearly rain
2401
4
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

About the purification method above, since oils float, I don't see why it's necessary to boil all the water away before taking the lanolin. And then shaking it with water and oil? Why not skim the lanolin off the top in the first place, or cool the water with the lanolin on top? But since I've never done anything like it I could be totally wrong.



I think you're correct...and I also wondered at all of the boiling after the wool was removed.  The Edwardian video shows boiling the wool for a period of time and then letting it all cool off and then skimming the lanolin from the top.  Boiling the water away to retrieve the lanolin seems unnecessary to me too.  I think I would try the method shown in the video and then if the lanolin needed further cleaning try shaking in a jar with olive oil and water (mainly because I'm really curious about that step).

I guess it's time to start experimenting.....
 
pollinator
Posts: 4958
1195
transportation duck trees rabbit tiny house chicken earthworks building woodworking
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I know when we shear sheep, my job is to go in and rinse the sheep shears off in warm water so that the lanolin that has collected, washes away. It takes warm water to do that, but not hot...as in boiling wtaer. I am wondering if it depends on what you are after. Lets say you want 100% lanolin and don't care about the wool, then boil the wool and get as much lanolin as you an. But maybe if you were okay with 75% lanolin and still retain the wool, you could just heat up...

I don't know, but that is my question I guess. I do not do wool so I might shear my sheep and try various testing methods. You know say 50 pounds of wool 100% rolling boil. 50 pounds of wool simmered, 50 pounds of wool warmed, etc then weigh the lanolin obtained and see how they do.

Anyone got the link for the lanolin sheep breeds? I looked but could not find it. I did find out that a farmer can obtain 2-4 pounds of lanolin per hundred pounds of wool.
 
Judith Browning
Posts: 8924
Location: Ozarks zone 7 alluvial, clay/loam with few rocks 50" yearly rain
2401
4
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Travis Johnson wrote:I know when we shear sheep, my job is to go in and rinse the sheep shears off in warm water so that the lanolin that has collected, washes away. It takes warm water to do that, but not hot...as in boiling wtaer. I am wondering if it depends on what you are after. Lets say you want 100% lanolin and don't care about the wool, then boil the wool and get as much lanolin as you an. But maybe if you were okay with 75% lanolin and still retain the wool, you could just heat up...

I don't know, but that is my question I guess. I do not do wool so I might shear my sheep and try various testing methods. You know say 50 pounds of wool 100% rolling boil. 50 pounds of wool simmered, 50 pounds of wool warmed, etc then weigh the lanolin obtained and see how they do.

Anyone got the link for the lanolin sheep breeds? I looked but could not find it. I did find out that a farmer can obtain 2-4 pounds of lanolin per hundred pounds of wool.



I think you're right that one wouldn't need to necessarily boil the wool.  I use fairly hot water to wash my wool and a minimum of dish soap so I still have some lanolin in it for ease in spinning...I might try the same method minus the dish soap next time and see if any lanolin rises to the top as it cools.  When dyeing though, sometimes I bring the vat to a simmer for maybe an hour tops, never a boil.  I think, at least in the past, no one would ruin a fleece to get the lanolin so I suspect they weren't really using a rolling boil that I'm pretty sure would cause the fleece to felt.

I don't know particular breeds so don't have any information on which sheep would have the most lanolin...interested though and it might be something I would look for when we sheep shop this summer.
 
Travis Johnson
pollinator
Posts: 4958
1195
transportation duck trees rabbit tiny house chicken earthworks building woodworking
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I just have so many breeds of sheep that I thought I might try taking the lanolin off the breed with the most lanolin.
 
r ranson
steward & author
Posts: 38467
Location: Left Coast Canada
13712
8
books chicken cooking fiber arts sheep writing
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Looking at the Big Book of Handspinning by Alden Amos

p. 50.  "Wool felt melts between 105 and 110F, a fact which established the minimum effective temperature for the scouring liquid or liquor, to use the technical term, a combination of soap, water, and alkali.  Heating the scouring liquor to at least 110F is the easiest way to accomplish this.  Still, the bath should not be too hot: above 125F (52c), even mild alkalis damages wool.  This places the optimal scouring temperature between 110 (44c) and 120F (49c)."

Scouring is a way washing wool that gets most, or better still all, of the lanolin, sunit (sheep sweat) and other much out of the wool.  This is different than regular washing which focuses on removing dirt and removes only some of the lanolin and sunit.  Scouring is a combination of real soap and heat (and preferably the correct water to wool ratio), and some other factors to get a wool clean enough to dye, cleaning is often done with detergents and tap water.

What does this have to do with extracting lanolin?  It gives us a melting temperature for lanolin.  However, that's in a solution with soap (an alkali) so it has a maximum temperature to prevent the wool from being damaged.  But if we don't have the soap in it, would it still release the lanolin at so low a temperature?  

I guess what I get from this is that maybe we don't need to boil the wool?  Boiling or simmering the wool encourages it to felt.
 
Posts: 94
Location: Sweden
36
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hej hej!
I was wondering, has anyone else tried doing this? Sofie and I tried last summer, and got pretty much nothing. We used the Edwardian Farm segment as our starting point, and basically just filled an 18 liter stockpot with some wool we weren't too attached to, then added water to cover, slowly brought it to a boil over the course of an hour or so, boiled it for about 5 hours. then let it cool, and looked for the lanolin that wasn't there. On the plus side, the wool was wuite usable afterwards. I actualy spun it up with bery little trouble. there were some tangled bits that we discarded rather than try to card out (maybe 5% of the total), it was quite dry compared to my usual spinning yarn-not too surprisingly, as I generally just do a cold-water  wash with no soap to get rid of suint and dirt, bu not the lanolin- and the yarn was harsher than the unboiled wool gave, but it would serve perfectly well for rugs, furniture fabric, coarse blankets, or coats/cloaks. I haven't done a lot of felting so I'm not really sure, but my gut feeling is that it would work for that, and it was so thoroughly scoured that I'm sure it would dye like a dream.I think the trick was the very slow warming up to the boiling point and cool-down, and the fact that we didn't stir it too much while it was boiling.

However, the main point of the exercise was lanolin production, not how to safely boil wool, and *that' was a bust. We've talked about it ourselves and with some other interested folks, and have come up with these ideas for trying to do better:

Different wool: possibly the wool was too old, and the lanolin had dried up and fallen/rubbed off, or evaporated; maybe that wool didn't have enough lanolin to give a result in the first place
A number of recipes suggest adding salt to the water, so we might should try that
Take the wool out of the water while it's still hot-maybe the lanolin reattached to the wool as it all cooled. Considering the dryness of the wool when I spun it, it doesn't seem so likely, but...
Try boiling down the liquid after removing the wool. Lanolin mixes with water- that's why it's so useful in creams, salves, etc- so maybe it won't just solidify when it cools; the water might have to be physically removed.
Do a cold-water wash of the wool before starting. Suint mixes with urine on fleeces to make a natural soap: maybe that binds to the lanolin when it melts, and getting rid of it while the lanolin is still solid would mean the lanolin will stay in a usable form.

So, has anyone tried any of these things, so we don't have to? Or even better, has anyone successfully extracted lanolin, and feel like sharing tips ? If not, as we do more experiments, I'l let ye know what happens

 
Posts: 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Good day, where we can use the wool without lanoline?
 
steward and tree herder
Posts: 8452
Location: Isle of Skye, Scotland. Nearly 70 inches rain a year
3997
4
transportation dog forest garden foraging trees books food preservation woodworking wood heat rocket stoves ungarbage
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Resurrecting this old thread..........has anyone succeeded in extracting lanolin from fleece?  I`m interested in seeing if I can get some out of my dag end fleeces. Some of them are thick with grease, so may have a useful yield. We are interested in the water repellent qualities, and I have also read that it is UV opaque, which is quite exciting if true, since I`m interested in natural sun screens for my face.
 
Nancy Reading
steward and tree herder
Posts: 8452
Location: Isle of Skye, Scotland. Nearly 70 inches rain a year
3997
4
transportation dog forest garden foraging trees books food preservation woodworking wood heat rocket stoves ungarbage
  • Likes 5
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Well I can report that getting lanolin is not simply a matter of leaving greasy fleeces in very hot water and then skimming it off!
I selected a particularly waxy looking one of my dag end fleeces (one that was also quite felted, so unlikely to be of use for yarn). I prewashed in cold water only, although this was not very thorough - another rinse would have made it cleaner. I had the wood stove on, it`s starting to get quite autumnal, so I heated up a big pan of water. The biggest pan I have is my stainless maslin pan so I hope it comes clean!
The fleece wouldn`t fit in all at once. I had 10 UK pints of water and put one third of the fleece in. Left it heating on the stovetop until the waxiness seemed to disappear. The water was not boiling, but was generally too hot to put my hand in, so between 50 and 70 deg C I believe. I then carefully removed the fleece, squeezed as much of the water in it back in the pan (using a metal rack balanced on the pan). This was tricky, since the fleece was heavy and hot! I then repeated twice more with the rest of the fleece, using the same water. Each time it took about an hour for the wax to dissolve.
At the end, I had some much cleaner, softer fleece, not much more matted than it was to start with, and a pan of dirty water. I was hoping that the lanolin might settle out overnight, but no, I now have a pan of cool dirty water! I could try putting it in the fridge... how else to coagulate the lanolin?
wikihow says all the water needs to be boiled off. (they also used some salt in the water) one of the comments suggests about 25 % lanolin and impurities in raw fleece.
morningchores gives a couple of different routes to extraction, the first involves boiling the fleeces for several hours, the second was more like my method, but they suggest `scalding` the fleece twice, and does suggest again reducing the liquid by boiling.
rough science has a bit more information. The salt apparently increases the yield (although does not go into details).There can be between 5 and 25% lanolin by weight of wool.
egypt paper gives quite a bit more detail on the industrial extraction and purification methods.
american journal of engineering research has some good diagrams of industrial extraction and refining.
Industrially the lanolin is separated from the scouring water by a centrifugal process. It hasn`t dissolved in the water, it is actually a very fine emulsion. I may also have lost quite a bit by prewashing, since it is also in the sweaty suint that I washed out in the cold water.
So if I do try it again:
  • No prewash
  • Add a bit of salt
  • Really heat the soaking wool for longer in boiling water; this will mean the fleece will be felted
  • Be prepared for the need for more water boiling to reduce the water down to concentrate the lanolin.

  • I think this would be a job for an outdoor stove. I don`t fancy all that moisture in the house at this time of year.
    DSCN0796.JPG
    Dirty-lanolin-water
    Dirty lanolin water
     
    gardener
    Posts: 1050
    Location: Zone 6 in the Pacific Northwest
    534
    2
    homeschooling hugelkultur kids forest garden foraging chicken cooking bee homestead
    • Likes 3
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
      Number of slices to send:
      Optional 'thank-you' note:
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Seems like another area where we have lost traditional knowledge. I wonder when and where in the world lanolin first was extracted for separate use.

    If you have to boil and boil and skim and add stuff, who first thought "Hey, I know what would be fun! Let me feed a fire for hours (with wood I had to gather and chop) to boil my wool (which I depend on to clothe my family so I must not let it felt) in a pot (possibly the only pot I have so no meals that need it today)."

    It seems like there must be a different way where the lanolin is able to be collected as a natural byproduct, and not just a separate process from the regular processing of wool for making cloth.
     
    Rusticator
    Posts: 8590
    Location: Missouri Ozarks
    4557
    6
    personal care gear foraging hunting rabbit chicken cooking food preservation fiber arts medical herbs homestead
    • Likes 2
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
      Number of slices to send:
      Optional 'thank-you' note:
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Nancy, I can't help thinking the suint might also be a big part of why you got no yield. The enzymes in the suint likely ate a good portion of it. Next time, you might get a better yield by going straight from the critter to the boil. Once the lanolin is extracted, it's likely easier to clean the lanolin, without the fleece in the way. I'm guessing it would be similar to cleaning beeswax?
     
    Posts: 1
    • Likes 2
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
      Number of slices to send:
      Optional 'thank-you' note:
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Carla could you maybe elaborate and add a beeswax cleaning guide? English isn't my first language and I have a bit of a hard time understanding  
     
    Carla Burke
    Rusticator
    Posts: 8590
    Location: Missouri Ozarks
    4557
    6
    personal care gear foraging hunting rabbit chicken cooking food preservation fiber arts medical herbs homestead
    • Likes 1
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
      Number of slices to send:
      Optional 'thank-you' note:
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator

    Em Louie wrote:Carla could you maybe elaborate and add a beeswax cleaning guide? English isn't my first language and I have a bit of a hard time understanding  



    I'm a visual learner/teacher, so I went hunting, and here are two videos that are similar to the way I clean mine (this method also works for cleaning tallow & lard). My method is sort of a blending of theirs, though. I use the crockpot & cloth parts of the gentleman's method, and the water & repetitions of the young lady's (method in her video starts at about the 3 minute mark).

    https://youtu.be/SHmoP2qqlj8

    https://youtu.be/ifFmw1C8G0Y

    So, I start with a *large* slow cooker/crockpot, line it with real cheesecloth (not that white gauzy stuff from the grocery, but the tightly woven kind actual cheese makers use), dump in the beeswax, and secure the cloth. Then, the water goes in, and the crock is set to low. Beeswax melts at 156°F, so low is all that's needed, and helps preserve the beneficial/ healing properties of the salves, lotions, etc, that I use it in. It's also less a fire or severe burn risk, than boiling. After it's completely melted, I lift the cheesecloth, with all the debris, set that aside, to look through, and clean out for re-use, while letting the wax completely cool. Once the wax is cool, pull it out of the water. At that point, if there's any notable debris left on the bottom, I either scrape it out or do it, again.

    I don't really like it in a large chunk, because I find that difficult to work with, for smaller projects. So, at that point, I break up & re-melt the wax, in a large metal coffee can, with one side smooshed together, to form a pouring spout, set into the slow cooker (with water in the crock, but not the can). Once it's melted, I pour it into smaller, more manageable molds,cool, unmold, and store.

    Sadly, I just killed my favorite crockpot (over-use, no doubt), a couple days ago, with both beeswax & tallow waiting in line to process. So, I'm off to the resale shops, this weekend, for a replacement. I don't use the same one for both food and rendering/soapmaking, primarily because sometimes, I need to be doing both at once. If the crockpot has a stoneware, smoothe metal, or glass liner, the wax is easy to remove by sticking the room temp pot in the freezer for a couple hours - the wax will separate itself from the pot's finish. If there's no room in the freezer, I pull just enough stuff out, and stick it in a good cooler, just long enough to remove the wax, then swap it back, as soon as I pull the pot out.

    If anyone has more questions about this, I'll start another thread, so as not to further derail this one.
     
    Posts: 24
    Location: Wet Mountains, Colorado Zone 4b
    6
    • Likes 3
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
      Number of slices to send:
      Optional 'thank-you' note:
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    So, I'm both a fiber lover and obsessed with the BBC farm programs, and I'd seen the original clip in this thread and assumed it would be just that easy... I saved all the skirtings from four fleeces I prepped for the mill last autumn, nice and greasy (and quite dirty!). Since they're second cuts and such it wouldn't matter if boiling ruined them, they were destined for garden mulch anyway.

    I filled a pot with wool, filled it with cold water to rinse it a bit, dumped that, refilled with hot water, and put on the stove. I let it simmer for a few hours (stunk like crazy) and then placed it on the back porch to cool. In the morning (it was below freezing overnight) I opened up to find... a little white foam on the surface?

    Following the advice in this thread I added some salt to the mess, simmered it again... and got some slightly firmer white film. I skimmed the top of the pot, put it in a small jar, and dumped the rest on the garden. I have bags of skirtings, but I'm reticent to start an assembly line of boiling wool until I can see proof of concept.
    20241025_121503.jpg
    [Thumbnail for 20241025_121503.jpg]
     
    My favorite is a chocolate cupcake with white frosting and tiny ad sprinkles.
    Heat your home with the twigs that naturally fall of the trees in your yard
    http://woodheat.net
    reply
      Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
    • New Topic