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Labor Investment Collective (LIC) - put a month in and get more than a month back  RSS feed

 
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During some brainstorming with Shawn on community badges, I shared something I heard about ...   I heard about it maybe ... six years ago?  

So the idea was that people would put in something like eight months (spread out over about four years) helping other people build natural homes.   Once their eight months were in, then it was their turn to build.  Only the whole thing had gained popularity (more investors), and a few people dropped out (fewer to cash in on the prize!), so you ended up with getting more than what you put in.  You invested hours and you got back skills and even more hours.  

I cannot find that stuff.  I'm not sure how I would even search for it.  

For now, I decided to call it "LIC" (pronounced "lick") for "Labor Investment Collective".  

There could be several of these set up.  

small garden - one day

large garden - ten days

small berm shed - two days

large berm shed - five days

small skiddable structure - two days

large skiddable structure - five days

small junkpole fence - two days

large junkpole fence - five days

rocket mass heater - two days


The idea is that this group is set up with specific rules, and a general type of experience added to it.  And then you go and work for specified number of days, and then it is your turn!  Since you now have that sort of experience, you can lead other people!  So if you put in ten days, you should be able to get back ten days.   Maybe it will be ten people all in one day.  Maybe it will be two people for five days.    Maybe you will get back a lot more than you put in.  Or maybe less.  

I am not sure how well this will or will not work.  It seemed to work extremely well for what I saw a long time ago.   And I like the idea of trying it - to see how it goes.  I think it has huge potential.

But the real question, at this moment, is:   is this a normal thing that already has a name?   Anybody have a youtube video or two?


 
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Another thing I like about this idea ....    A lot of people want to "trade" and what they really mean to say is that they want you to help them and then they will experience life adventures that will prevent them from returning the favor.   With LIC, people "pay" up front.
 
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Sounds like a barter bank: https://www.getrichslowly.org/the-benefits-of-barter/
 
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I think a big difference here is that it is about something specific.  

- I want to build experience in X

- after a fixed amount of time on X projects, it will be my turn

   o and at that time I will have the most experience in the group, so I can lead the project

So, in a way, the first part is where you are taking a free workshop.   And in the second part, you are teaching a free workshop.
 
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So, the "credit" originates by a whole mess of folks giving free workshops?

Ideally, you get 5 motivated folks who each want the same thing, say a small garden, and over 5 Saturdays they all show up at one person's place and get it done, then move to the next place... until it's done.

Everyone's committed, no one slacks off, it's roughly apples to apples what everyone ends up with, and it happens over such a short period that no one forgets who earned what or was owed what.

Enter in human comedy, more demands versus fewer contributions (and vice versa) and the whole thing makes everyone sad.

There's a link (on that Barter Banking page) for timebanking, where 1 hour is equal to 1 credit.

Maybe there could be a "price" in credits for any project... say 30 credits for a small garden. (30 person/hours), 60 for a large garden, etc... and you could cash out at any level.
You put in for what you want to get back out...

Ferd shows up and helps for 5 hours and earns 5 credits. Ferd does this a bunch of times and accumulates 30 credits, so he could cash in and get HIS small garden built now, or maybe he wants a slightly larger garden and does some more helping...
 
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I think the whole thing will be riddled with issues.   And they will need to be sorted out.  

At the same time, if you are talking about building a house, and the commitment is four months .... and in the beginning you don't know how to build a house:  didn't you just get a free workshop?   Further still, when the time comes for you to build your own house, there is a chance that you get no help.  But there is also a chance that you do ...

Things to improve the odds that people will help you build your house when the time comes:

  - be a lovely person
  - be a lovely person when putting your time in on other projects (these are the most likely people that will be helping you)
  - be a lovely person online
  - tell lots of people about this program (after all, the only people that will be helping you will be people that started after you did)

 
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The key is this:   A guy named bob wants to build a wofati.  he has never built anything, let alone a wofati.  he wants to learn.  Bob joins a LIC for building a small wofati.   He has to put in four months.  He ends up helping on six different wofatis.  He now has quite a bit of experience in building a wofati.   He is confident that he can do it on his own.   Twelve people come help him build his wofati.  It is done in three weeks.   Those twelve people had varrying degrees of experience - although all of their experience was less than Bob's.  

And now for the community badge tie in:  that was a lot of community stuff there.   A bit of a barn raising.  Cool.






 
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We actually had a book giveaway that was about just this! I read and reviewded the book Mudgirls Manifesto: Handbuilt Homes, Handcrafted Lives by The Mudgirls

According to the book, they were and are very successful with this. I gotta make dinner now, but I'll try to get more info soon.
 
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Otis and LIC and BBs.

Otis:  fictitious geezer that is considering willing his land to a PEP4 certified person.

Some BBs will be marked at "LIC-able" meaning that they can be done with LIC stuff.  So there might be a LIC tied to building.iron.wofati.   And the person wishing for certification that used LIC would need to show:

  - that they led the build on their own LIC project
  - that they helped with the build for four other LIC projects

The idea is that I think Otis will be satisfied if you build the wofati yourself.   Otis will NOT be satisfied if it appears that you had a bunch of people build it for you.   Otis will be satisfied if you say it was done with LIC and this is your fifth build and you led the build on the final build.  



 
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Finally got a chance to write up some more about the Mudgirls. They're an organization up in British Columbia, Canada, and they run workshops to build homes. There's two ways people can get a home built by the Mudgirls. Here's a quote from my review:

The first solution is for the person who needs a home to become a Mudgirl--a Mudgirl is one who teaches others how to build houses, by making houses. Mudgirls build homes for each other for just the cost of materials.

The other solution is to hire the Mudgirls to hold a work party to build your house. You pay for materials and for the Mudgirl's wages and the wages of a childcare person. That's it. The Mudgirls then teach a bunch of volunteers how to build a house--by building your house! The volunteers only pay for food and a cook. That's it! They get free on-site child care, too, while they learn and build your house. Children stay near their parents, parents learn awesome skills, and someone who couldn't afford a house otherwise, now can afford one. Beautiful.  



So, each house is built by volunteers who learn to build houses by building them, and in turn they get to get a house built by the Mudgirls for just the cost of materials. They do differ slightly from your idea, simply because they are ENTIRELY consensus-based. They have no leader. They all talk things out and decide together, even when building. And, this evidently works for them because they've been at it for over 10 years!

The Mudgirls have both paid and unpaid workshops--the paid ones are for people who AREN'T Mudgirls, and the unpaid ones are built for other Mudgirls. So, this way of teaching, learning, and building DOES work, and seems like a really great way for people to gain skills and teach other and get houses built for cheap.

 
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