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Sepp alert!
jacque greenleaf
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posted 6 years ago
Sepp's new book is available at Amazon for pre-order discount
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=sepp+holzer&x=0&y=0
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=sepp+holzer&x=0&y=0
posted 6 years ago
Hehehe - got mine already! 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sepp-Holzers-Permaculture-1-Holzer/dp/1856230597/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1297541932&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sepp-Holzers-Permaculture-1-Holzer/dp/1856230597/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1297541932&sr=1-1
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Brenda Groth
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Mekka Pakanohida
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John Morelli
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posted 6 years ago
Bittersweet!! haha.
I've got a small mound of books to read and it's getting bigger a lot faster than I can make a dent in it
I've got a small mound of books to read and it's getting bigger a lot faster than I can make a dent in it
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Charles Kelm
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Brenda Groth
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posted 6 years ago
March 24 here in USA? I am in the process of reading the Permaculture Designer's Manual right now and should have it finished and returned to the library just in time to get my new Sepp book..right when I need fresh input..can't wait.
Brenda
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Brenda Groth
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duane hennon
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Brenda Groth
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Emerson White
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posted 6 years ago
arguably better then the fuels used to power your kindle.... Its real sad we use tree for paper. hemp out paces wood for paper by a multiple of four. It also doesnt need the VERY harsh chemicals to become white... peroxide will bleach hemp paper, which also lasts longer then wood paper.... i guess this is what we get with a government thats for sale.
Emerson White wrote:
No kindle edition means that I can't get it with out killing a small part of a tree. :/
arguably better then the fuels used to power your kindle.... Its real sad we use tree for paper. hemp out paces wood for paper by a multiple of four. It also doesnt need the VERY harsh chemicals to become white... peroxide will bleach hemp paper, which also lasts longer then wood paper.... i guess this is what we get with a government thats for sale.
Emerson White
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posted 6 years ago
i read scientific papers on the kindle, it takes more energy to print one large scientific paper than it does to read for a day on the kindle. I throw the papers away when I am done with them (because I am in Alaska and recycling involves barging it to Seattle). The kindle pays for itself in energy. i have 500 books on it, so that adds up to quite a bit of tree. My cell phoen uses energy about 4 times faster than my kindle.
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Emerson White
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posted 6 years ago
Sepp's book is available for sale to the US. You can buy it right now. It will be shipped directly to you from the UK. I just asked about this and they said YES!
http://www.green-shopping.co.uk/books/sepp-holzer-s-permaculture.html
And as long as you are getting a package, you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want this DVD:
http://www.green-shopping.co.uk/dvds/sepp-holzers-permaculture.html
And this is the only place in the world I know of where you can get the DVD.
http://www.green-shopping.co.uk/books/sepp-holzer-s-permaculture.html
And as long as you are getting a package, you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want this DVD:
http://www.green-shopping.co.uk/dvds/sepp-holzers-permaculture.html
And this is the only place in the world I know of where you can get the DVD.
Brenda Groth
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posted 6 years ago
i have patience, I can wait, right now much too uncomfortable from my surgery to do much reading.
I'm glad you are you, Paul, and that you have got it and that you have told me I'm going to enjoy it..when it does come.
snowing like blue blazes here right now.
likely sepp has put in a tree credit in the cost of his books like a lot of other people have..
I'm glad you are you, Paul, and that you have got it and that you have told me I'm going to enjoy it..when it does come.
snowing like blue blazes here right now.
likely sepp has put in a tree credit in the cost of his books like a lot of other people have..
Brenda
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posted 6 years ago
Somebody emailed me and asked me which of Sepp's books are in English.
Rebel Farmer:
at amazon
at the publisher (UK)
Sepp Holzer's Permaculture:
at amazon
at the publisher (UK)
And then there is the excellent 3-in-1 DVD:
only in the UK - although they will ship to the US
Rebel Farmer:
at amazon
at the publisher (UK)
Sepp Holzer's Permaculture:
at amazon
at the publisher (UK)
And then there is the excellent 3-in-1 DVD:
only in the UK - although they will ship to the US
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Brenda Groth
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posted 6 years ago
mine was in my mailbox today, woo hoo, htumbed through it but am in the process of reading Cornucopia ( a very large book) that is due back to the library on the 20th so I've got to finish that one first..and then I'll dive in.
at least I'm a little more comfortable sitting now so I can get more reading in..but still having some pain when I sit too long, hopefully that goes away soon (9 days from surgery)
at least I'm a little more comfortable sitting now so I can get more reading in..but still having some pain when I sit too long, hopefully that goes away soon (9 days from surgery)
Brenda
Bloom where you are planted.
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Leif Kravis
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josh brill
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posted 6 years ago
I got the book a few days ago and finished last night. I found that it was not really that informative. If you frequent these boards you have a good percentage of the books information already. It really lacks depth in most if not all the subjects he talks about. If you knew nothing of his concepts then it might be worth picking up but otherwise I'm not sure it was worth the purchase. I would love to hear what others thought of it.
and a side note for the kindle discussion. How many heavy metals does that kindle contain and how many trees where destroyed getting the stuff to make it out of the ground. I'll take a book anytime.
and a side note for the kindle discussion. How many heavy metals does that kindle contain and how many trees where destroyed getting the stuff to make it out of the ground. I'll take a book anytime.
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Brenda Groth
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posted 6 years ago
i've read about 1/2 way through the book, have picked up a few new things, esp about our colder zone area that might be helpful, esp if we add livestock in the future..loved the photos and articles about his outdoor year around livestock, wooly pigs and even the yak, bison, and min cattle stuff..
I had never known there were wooly pigs and hadn't ever really thought about miniature cattle...would like to find out more about them in the future..seeing as how we have winter here at least 6 months out of the year..better to have animals that are more able to fend for themselves..also interested in the food he grows for them..many of which I'm already growing here.
also was encouraged about his mushroom logs, as we are very similar in temps to his area (although much closer to sea level)..and I have been planning on doing cultivated mushrooms in the near future.
we are also in the process of "linking" ponds so I do find some interest in his ponds although we already have a couple good size pond areas..and our property is a whole lot smaller than his..we have thought of putting in some pnods farther down the watershed area and his talk about keeping the water ON the proprty as long as possible makes sense to me..(of course today I woke up to flooding from 2"+ of rain overnight and more coming..)
I had never known there were wooly pigs and hadn't ever really thought about miniature cattle...would like to find out more about them in the future..seeing as how we have winter here at least 6 months out of the year..better to have animals that are more able to fend for themselves..also interested in the food he grows for them..many of which I'm already growing here.
also was encouraged about his mushroom logs, as we are very similar in temps to his area (although much closer to sea level)..and I have been planning on doing cultivated mushrooms in the near future.
we are also in the process of "linking" ponds so I do find some interest in his ponds although we already have a couple good size pond areas..and our property is a whole lot smaller than his..we have thought of putting in some pnods farther down the watershed area and his talk about keeping the water ON the proprty as long as possible makes sense to me..(of course today I woke up to flooding from 2"+ of rain overnight and more coming..)
Brenda
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Emerson White
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Location: Alaska
posted 6 years ago
There is only one source of woolly pigs (mangalitsa, an extreme lard breed) in the states, and they only sell castrated pigs, and do it at a very high premium.
Brenda Groth
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posted 6 years ago
that figures..just when you think you found something you want.. 
I did finish reading the book, learned a few more things, enjoyed seeing life from someone elses point of view as well..was worth my $20
I did finish reading the book, learned a few more things, enjoyed seeing life from someone elses point of view as well..was worth my $20
Brenda
Bloom where you are planted.
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josh brill
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posted 6 years ago
There are plenty of none wooley pigs that you can take the cold weather. In vermont where there is plenty of winter, people raise berkshires, tamworth, old spot and mixes of them with minimum shelter. I'm sure there are other varieties that will do just as well.
I had a friend who worked on a vineyard/historical farming museum in the north of italy and they had mangalitsa who would sit for peanuts. I was quite entertaining. We had to make sure we got out in the morning before them so we could collect chestnuts otherwise they took them all for themselves.
I had a friend who worked on a vineyard/historical farming museum in the north of italy and they had mangalitsa who would sit for peanuts. I was quite entertaining. We had to make sure we got out in the morning before them so we could collect chestnuts otherwise they took them all for themselves.
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Mekka Pakanohida
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Tyler Ludens
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posted 6 years ago
Don't give up!
"Heath Putnam Farms sells breeding stock, neutered Mangalitsa and Mangalitsa-sired pigs. We've sold pigs to farmers across the USA. Pigs are available in the Midwest."
http://woolypigs.com/_purchasing.html
Brenda Groth wrote:
that figures..just when you think you found something you want..
Don't give up!
"Heath Putnam Farms sells breeding stock, neutered Mangalitsa and Mangalitsa-sired pigs. We've sold pigs to farmers across the USA. Pigs are available in the Midwest."
http://woolypigs.com/_purchasing.html
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Brenda Groth
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Tyler Ludens
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Richard Kastanie
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posted 6 years ago
I read the book, i has many interesting ideas, I just wish he had written a book two or three times as long to cover the same amount of material. There were more concepts new to me than any garden book I've read in quite a while, but I feel some of them were not discussed in enough detail to really understand what he has going on. What he's been able to do with his land is quite impressive, although I would like to know how much his fossil fuel use actually compares to other forms of agriculture, because of how much he uses the excavator. However, if it's using all that energy toward earthworks that can be maintained with much less inputs after they're constructed, it's a lot better use of fuel than most things people do with it.
duane hennon
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posted 5 years ago
a review from the aussie permie site
http://permaculture.org.au/2011/06/15/sepp-holzers-permaculture-a-review/#more-5781
"My principle criticism of the book (and let it be drowned in a clamour of praise) is the potential for some of the techniques described to be transferred to inappropriate contexts. Though I am sure that the author intends to describe the techniques which have worked for him — techniques which must be altered or abandoned in other climates — the tone sometimes makes this easy to forget. The author sometimes appears to refer to ‘Holzer Permaculture’ as a set of techniques rather than as the set of design principles which he sets out early in the book"
I think this is a valid point. One does not have to do everything Sepp does to appreciate him or to do permaculture. Unless of course, you start out with a piece of land similiar to his.
If, from a permie point of view, you unfortunately live where there is decent soil, adequate rain and temperatures, you can be comforted by the knowledge that all he is trying to do is to get point where you are now.
http://permaculture.org.au/2011/06/15/sepp-holzers-permaculture-a-review/#more-5781
"My principle criticism of the book (and let it be drowned in a clamour of praise) is the potential for some of the techniques described to be transferred to inappropriate contexts. Though I am sure that the author intends to describe the techniques which have worked for him — techniques which must be altered or abandoned in other climates — the tone sometimes makes this easy to forget. The author sometimes appears to refer to ‘Holzer Permaculture’ as a set of techniques rather than as the set of design principles which he sets out early in the book"
I think this is a valid point. One does not have to do everything Sepp does to appreciate him or to do permaculture. Unless of course, you start out with a piece of land similiar to his.
If, from a permie point of view, you unfortunately live where there is decent soil, adequate rain and temperatures, you can be comforted by the knowledge that all he is trying to do is to get point where you are now.
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