stephen lowe wrote:Two things you could do to help sway dad at the end of the year is track the money/time put into both halves of the garden and then when the garden is getting ready to be put to bed go out and do a little survey of the soil on both sides of the garden. Look at the texture of the soil, the presence of worms and fungal hyphae, and pay special attention to the border between the two halves. Especially if the land has been fed chemical fertilizers and treated with toxic -cides there will be some recovery time but hopefully you will be able to demonstrate the positive effects on the soil.
Rich Points wrote:Hey All,
So I've been studying up on permaculture for about 6 months now, I'm stoked for the spring. So there seems to be a perception out there that permaculture farming methods produce smaller crop yields. Is this true? Based on my research so far it seems like permaculture will do just as good if not better than "conventional" methods.
I realize that it takes a few years to get a permaculture system up and running and producing to it's potential; maybe this is what the conventional mindset doesn't like...
Michelle Bisson wrote:
If I had access to this 12 acres, I would let your dad do his thing on his 40 z 20 feet plot and I would start a separate plot of 20 x 20 feet and do my own thing.
It will likely take a few years to really become productive.
This way, your father will not have any risks (except from the chemicals he applies) and will get the same yield as he always had and you will have time to learn & make mistakes on your little 20 x 20 plot. It is not just about the soil, it is also your skill level.
It would likely be very frustrating to see your father who gave up 50% of his garden when the likely your first few years you were not as productive as conventional methods.
You will not win him over if you fail from lack of skill and time it takes to create great soil.
On the other hand, I would put my energies into planting fruit trees & bushes, build up the soil through mulching etc and then plant some perennials veggies amongst these fruiting trees & scrubs. I would still likely have a small vegetable plot for my annuals.
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