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My brain has fogged over as I try to meet a deadline (if I get it in by Monday, that counts as having it in by Friday night, right?)

I'm stuck trying to remember a specific word.  It is a single word that describes the smog/haze caused by forest fires.  Anyone remember what it is?  It was all over the media last summer. 
 
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you might think I might know this, but you have me stumped, despite living in a fire (smoke/haze) zone and having been a forest fire fighter.  I tried a few different random assembled word searches on google with no results for your word.  :(
 
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I know that smoke/haze caused by volcanoes is vog, but I'm not familiar with a term that describes smoke from forest fires.
 
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I don't know the word (unless it's "smog"?), but this sort of thing happens to me ALL THE TIME.

Yesterday I took my kids down the mailbox (3/4ths of a mile away). I pulled my daughter in her wagon, then put the packages/mail in the wagon. Multiple times on the way back, she took out mail without us seeing, so we had to go back and find it. So, we started counting how much was in there every so often, to make sure we wouldn't have to walk even more to find it.

Well, just before we got home, she dropped another package. I didn't realize it until we got to the house, so I went looking for it. My neighbor was worried that I'd have to walk a long way to get it, and offered me use of his quad. I tried to assure him it wouldn't be far because we had just done an..."itinerary"... of all our stuff. "A what?" He asked. "An itinerary...." I replied (I was pretty sure that wasn't the word I was looking for). He looked at me funny, and I scurried off to find the package.

It kept bugging me. What was the word I was looking for? I finally asked my husband, some hour or two later. Thankfully, he knew the word: it was "INVENTORY." Why couldn't I think of that?!


...My poor neighbor must think I'm crazy.
 
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I do not know the word you are looking for either. The only one close we have here is "sea smoke" which is the term for it being so cold outside, yet the un-iced water of the ocean here causes an uplift in moisture vapor rising upwards off the ocean.


Sadly this is a writers curse in life. Vocabulary is a wonderful thing because with good vocabulary a person can describe something in detail while also in brevity. As I write this for example, I can either tell you my pet bunny is "sitting" or is "stoic"; the simple change of one word, records visually what she is currently doing a lot better.
 
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Maybe "acrid haze" or "smoke trail".

 
                            
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California.
 
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Maybe smoke waves or haze pollution. Except they aren't one word descriptions. Hope you find your word!
 
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conflagration ?
 
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I think the correct phrase is, "Being downwind from a Grateful Dead concert". 

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I believe the word is still just haze, despite its use for many types of air pollution.
 
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Thanks, everyone.

I wish I could find the source where they were talking about this specific word.  It could have been a very old English word or maybe even a word from another language.  For about a week last summer, it was the word the radio was obsessing about and it even made the local newspaper (which is notorious for being about 3 months behind on the news).  I was wondering if I dreamed it, so I asked around, and everyone seems to remember the media talking about this word, but none of them can remember what it is.

sigh. 
 
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Drift Smoke Smoke that has drifted from its point of origin and lost its original billowing form. Drift smoke can fill in canyons under stable air masses and make it difficult to see spot fires.

Thermal Belts In mountainous regions, the middle third of the slopes that remain active with fire during evening hours. This is due to down-canyon "falling" winds that pool cooler air in canyon bottoms but leave the middle part of the slope active.

Here is the glossary of fire fighting terms from which I grabbed these two possible answer to your inquiry: http://forestry.alaska.gov/fire/glossary

Here's more information about how public health officials talk about smoke: https://www3.epa.gov/ttnamti1/files/ambient/smoke/wildgd.pdf

Here is a more extensive glossary of fire fighting terms: http://www.salmonarmmuseum.org/docs/2003_fire_glossary.pdf
The entry for "smoke" has several sub entries that may also have the term for which you're looking.
 
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A few years ago when I was still working, I was working with a young woman in her twenties who claimed she was never going to be married, so I said, "Oh, you plan on being a Spinster, huh?" You would have thought I was talking Greek to her, she had to ask her Grandmother what it meant, and even then her Grandmother said she had not heard that word in 70 years.

Jeesh, I am not that old, but at least I have some vocabulary!
 
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Ha! I've known that word since my early teens, and I'm 33. But, then, I read a lot of fantasy!
 
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R. Ranson...is it possible that the newspaper made up its own term, over-used it, and is the reason why you cannot find it?

Have you ever thought about seeing if the paper has their own website and seeing how far back you can go in their digital archives and seeing if you can find the word they used. You could also be brave and call the newspaper itself and ask. If you are an introvert though, I understand where that could be difficult to do.
 
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Is it "particulates"? Seems far-fetched that that's the word you're looking for, but I'm seeing it everywhere in the wildfire glossaries, so I thought I'd check!
 
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Travis Johnson wrote:R. Ranson...is it possible that the newspaper made up its own term, over-used it, and is the reason why you cannot find it?

Have you ever thought about seeing if the paper has their own website and seeing how far back you can go in their digital archives and seeing if you can find the word they used. You could also be brave and call the newspaper itself and ask. If you are an introvert though, I understand where that could be difficult to do.



It's probably the newspaper made it up.  they require money to see the website, so I won't be looking there.

It was also on CBC and global news, but I can't find the articles anymore.  I remember seeing it there before the newspaper, but I could be misremembering.



The word was used more on the coastal cities and talked about the sunsets - I wonder if it was smoke mixing with ocean mist or something. 

At least I'm not the only one to remember there was a word.  But it's beginning to feel very Orwellian. 
 
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Travis Johnson wrote:A few years ago when I was still working, I was working with a young woman in her twenties who claimed she was never going to be married, so I said, "Oh, you plan on being a Spinster, huh?" You would have thought I was talking Greek to her, she had to ask her Grandmother what it meant, and even then her Grandmother said she had not heard that word in 70 years.

Jeesh, I am not that old, but at least I have some vocabulary!



I love the word spinster.  A person who spins yarn for a living.  Since most of the people in that profession were unmarried females, it eventually came to mean just that, unmarried females.

What I can't understand is why people are offended by the word.

There's nothing wrong with being female.
There's nothing wrong with spinning yarn.
and There's nothing wrong with being unmarried (I was born unmarried and proud of it)

Spinster is a great word. I use it as a compliment to people who fit the above criteria. 
 
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I do not know the word either, but often times, fires in Canada give us that same look over the ocean here when smoke drifts in.

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As for the word spinster, I married one, so I don't find it offenive either (but that was Tina and not Katie...many, many, many years ago). :-)
 
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Brume
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Smokie McSmoke Pants

Yes?  Yes?

How about Lazy Blaze-y Hazy Days of Summer?
 
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