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we are very close on coming to an agreement on price with this place. If we get it I'm going to have so much work to do! when it is all said and done their will be 32 acres with a pond and creek 1/2 wooded 1/2 open. its way more than I ever thought we would get and plenty to put all my hypothetical plans into action. there is alot of shale but also quite a few acres with good topsoil. I will be working on a plan to improve the soil overall and slowly start replacing some of the standard landscape with an edible one and will be seeking tons of advice from you guys!

view of Cavanal hill to the sw (the tallest "hill" , just a foot shy of a mountain

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house faces south. wow, not bad considering the road is to the north. its actually bigger than I want though. although we looked at their utilities and it must be fairly effecient because they are about 1/2 what we pay now on a house 1/3 the size!

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That looks like an awfully nice house! What is it made of? What is that little thing sticking up from the front of the roof. Why are they selling? What town is it near? Mortgage or contract sale?

Details, Leah!

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it is a nice house! I'm not trying to boast I say that because it feels weird. thinking about going from my 900 sq' needs windows, needs doors,needs insulation with meth heads next door to this place, seems unreal. this is actually the house that has some "strange priorities". Primarily owner built which is probably why they can even begin to sell it in our price range. they are in the process of purchasing another house, selling because work moved farther away. its stick built on a slab, that thing sticking up is the vent for a gas fireplace. thats one of those slight weirdities along with most of the interior doors missing, fancy bath, custom kitchen, but cheap siding and some wafer board on the interior

adn the front doesn't even have a slight overhang to protect the entry. we decided that all the wierd things were pretty minor and fixable especially in light of the opportunity to purchase 32 acres! they are willing (so far) to allow us to purchase the home and some acreage now (traditional mortgage) and the rest of the acreage after the sale of our current home (have it under conract for now). we are 1 tractor with implements away from striking a deal as of last nite (quite literally.... we tried to work a tractor back into the deal

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poteau is the nearest town with fort smith AR being about 30 minutes away. SE oklahoma is known for being a bit economically depressed and a place where you can still get some bang for your buck real estate wise. very rural by most standards but still has the oil and gas industry to keep some life in it. 1,500/acre is not unusual. it is unusual to get pasture land like this house has for that. there is 40 acres for 40,000 on cavanal hill for sale right now.

we are so close. I'm on pins and needles! we took the tractor out of the deal to try and wrap it up last night. hopefully the next time we hear from them it will be DEAL!

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sounds like an awesome place. If I didn't have family farm to play and live on, I would've probably saved up some money and bought a place in the ozarks. The forested land seems really cheap. Exactly what I love.

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Fingers, toes and eyes crossed for you!

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our offer is accepted!!!eeeeeeek. now its time to panic.

I'm going to have goats dropping babies all over the place about the time that we start moving. to complicate matters one of my preggo goats (a favorite of course) just tested positive for CAE which means I HAVE to be there for the birth to take the babies away before they nurse if they are doelings. And a friend has two that tested positive and I will probably be taking those girls to wherever I am at some point because she is unlikely to be able to catch the births and save the doelings. I had another that i suspected of being positive so I didn't breed her (and she was) but i didn't expect the other on or my freinds goats to be. so I will be moving,building goat accomodations, checking goats every two hours around the clock near their due date and then be bottle feeding baby goats for a min of 6 months with all the babies combined if the each kid out doeling.

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Congratulations!

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not so fast! the official contract/purchase agreement they want us to use is totally unacceptable! it seems they want us to be under contract but not them! Maybe this is why they have had two previous offers from others fall through

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Well, I'm certainly glad that you're eagerness to get the place is overriding your common sense.

If they don't want to change (at least right now), be sure to ask them for first chance of refusal if they change their mind.

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argh! we are back on again. they withdrew the unnacceptable contract. and I found one and altered it appropriately and they have accepted it.

it was kinda silly. we added standard wording to let us out of the contract if the inspection turns up something really bad, the financing is not obtained because of some unforseen circumstance etc..... and they seemed to think "well they added contingencies we should too" without really having a clue about why some contingincies are added in particular situations. they pulled a contingency out of a form intended for the purhcase of a home contingent on the sale of another home. and stated they were going to place the house with an agent and if they got a higher bid then we had 72 hrs to produce the money or it goes to the next person.

BULL. if we are setting in motion the financing ( paying heavy taxes and penalties on some investments to get it) we sure as hell are not telling the seller they can try and sell it to someone else!!

duh. if they hire and agent they have to pay agent fees. period. and we are not buying contingent on the sale of our current house, we are just waiting for typical paperwork and financing BS so we don't need a time limit based on someone elses hypothetical offer (understandable in contingent offers to allow them out if the contingent sale went on forever) we told them to take a hike and they called us on speaker phone later panicking and promising that we could work it out.

so I took a standard purchase agreement. marked out the stuff that didn't apply, so they could still see what had originally been there and added in bold some particulars about an easment and earnest money, appliances etc.... they could see that the contingincies we had added to the previous one were normal and standard on the form not some special stuff as if we were trying to pull one over on them.

i think that it boils down to them not really having a clue what all that legal stuff and contingincies mean or why each of them are there.

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Yes, a lot of people figure they will just sell the house themselves, without having to pay a cut to a realtor, but they don't know what they're doing. In most cases, they're paying a realtor for his knowledge of what needs to be done.

Don't forget a title search --- you don't want to get into that kind of trouble.

Well, good luck on it going as you want it. The economy isn't so great that they're going to have a pack of prospective buyers lined up their driveway. Maybe that finally occurred to them...

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I think I'll squat there until you guys get it all sorted out.

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I love having company! c'mon!

the purchase agreement is signed! we are buying the house and 16 acres with a traditional mortgage and the rest is under separate contract to to buy with cash when our current house sells. I am dieing to go out there and stick a shovel in the ground and plant a tree and hike around the property to see what goodies i can find!

the mortgage company requires a title search not that we wouldn't do one either way. that one of those things they seemed to think was unusual to have a contingincy on in the contract when its just normal.

found out why they were a bit touchy maybe. they had it sold once before and were packed up completely and in the process of moving when the buyers backed out the day before closing. geez, I'd be a little touchy on contingencies too I suppose.

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So how far are you gonna move?

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I hope it all goes smoothly for you, with no serious hitches or about-faces.

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thank you sue! my fingers are crossed and what little wits I have are about me

paul- it as about two hours drive from where we are now. This will be the first time l"ve ever moved any real distance. at least it is close enough to make day trips back and forth.

the really hard part is gonna be the preggo goats and building quick accomodations. we have trusses to build a permanent barn, but I dont want to get into that until I have been there for one of the big storms in the spring, so I can see where water goes.

I had a dream that I yanked out all the bushes and ivy and planted strawberries. yeppers. sounds like a good idea to me!

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Good for you for not getting hung up in a bad contract. Always, always carefully read the fine print and change what doesn't suit you.

Now then, the obligitory compliments are out of the way........

We come to the important question..........where's the pic of this tractor?
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no we didn't get the tractor worked into the deal

oh well, we have a little ford 1510 with a box blade but we really wanted something with a front loader, we haven't been able to find a used front loader for ours and for the price of a new one to fit it we could buy a brand new tractor!!! it was worth a shot though.

our mortgage company has dismal service and we are going to be contacting our mortgage officers supervisor next week because we should have closed by now and she has been losing our stuff (we have had to send paystubs and tax returns several times over) and she has not been returning our phonecalls and doing stupid stuff like miscalculating our closing costs and requirements etc...! she says she sent it to underwriting one day (jsut to tell us something apparently) and then we find she didn't. our contract says we are to close in february so we are going to start really riding their ass!

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first time i've read this and i'm very glad for you Leah, i know very little about AZ but it is exciting..
is there any outbuildings or fenced in area for your little ones to come, animal wise?

i can't wait to see updated info on this move..have you moved yet?

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we are closing today! (friday). just moving a few hours away to a town named cameron near poteau oklahoma, about 20-30 minures from ft. smith arkansas, where my husband is now employed. the owners aren't quite moved yet so we can't jump in right away, but we will probably start getting some things down there like the the little goat huts and garage/storage type items. after closing I want to stop by the closest feed store and start finding a contact for hay and check prices and availability on alfalfa pellets and loose minerals for the goats. I'm petrified and excited at the same time!

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Well, you should be over the fence by now!

Do you have any kind of move-in date yet?

Aaaack! So many things to do, suddenly so little time!

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the old owners will be completley out by the fourth and so we can really get going after that. now I need to covince my dh that he needs to take a week off to move. they wanted him to move for this job I think they can let him take a week to get it done. his work ethic gets in the way some times.

otherwise guess who will have to do 90% of it herself?

I will do it if I have to but I had better get alot more than asparagus.

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most of the household stuff is in the new place! but i have officially used up all the good luck alloted to me. it is official. it will be downhill here from here. two dead goats and a smoking fridge later..........

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"Two dead goats and a smoking fridge later..."

That makes three. That's your absolute limit. It stops there. Coasting downhill in the sun from now on.

Sue

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Whoa! The goats I knew about, from reading your other thread, but what's the story on the smoking frig?!?

Your place is beautiful. I tried to persuade my ex to move to that area when we were still together.

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if it comes in threes then maybe...just maybe...it will be smooth sailing from here. really I shouldn't complain. I am incredibly lucky and very thankful to have what I have. I was overwhelmed with gratitude while I watched my husband and daughter hiking up from the pond back to the house after fishing yesterday.

Its funny to observe my new enviroment. on the drive there is a sign that says "miniture horses for sell" don't you just know that you would be buying healthy well bred stock from knowledgable people if you went there? tee hee hee . also there is a ranch called "misery ridge" you gotta wonder if they know what misery means. sounds like a horror film title! were they trying to say "missouri"? they probably just have a wacky sense of humor, but it fits into our teasing about redneck country.

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Spelling doesn't mean a thing if they have good hearts and some common sense. I really hope you have some good neighbors!

Are you totally moved in yet?

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oh I know the spelling doesn't mean much, I certainly goof up myself enough, but it is still funny. I especially like "misery ridge" . they need to have a halloween party out there!

I'm still living in the old house eating on the floor

I plan to drive down wed or thurs and put up some temporary/secure paddocks for the goats and maybe this weekend we can get the buildings down there and the following I can take the critters and actually stay. that is if everything goes as planned and I'm not sure what the likelihood of that is.

planted peas in my new garden saturday! yippeeeeee.

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when my wee one wakes up I am going to pick up a trailer and take the goats and ponies to my new place and will officially be living there! yeah! lots of work left to do at the old house still, we will be coming back this weekend to get the remaining household items. I didn't get all the fence up that i wanted to, due to hitting solid ROCK with t-posts and had to change my plans slightly. the pens are now circular so that they hold themselves up, minimizing the need for t-post support. they will work fine for the purpose of keeping them safe at night and I will let them out to browse during the day and will set up some rotational paddocks with elecric fencing asap so that they can get to work on the rose plants that are starting to really leaf out.

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It will be nice when you are finally settled. Are the new people moving into your old house yet?

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no, we still have a ton of clean up there. we are closing on april 17. going back tommorrow (sat) for chickens, the remaining furniture and my poor Cody dog. I was going to put him down instead of moving him but I just can't do it

I'm too weak. I'll just keep giving him rymidal (sp?) and I'm sure he will bring his imaginary thing to bark at with him

he is totally senile. not really the dog I knew anymore but somehow he is still cody in my mind. he'll probably need a double dose for the ride down to fit in a crate because I'm not putting his nasty stinky butt in my truck!

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my old cody dog has gotten a second wind. he gets to chase chickens now (futile with no fences to get them up against) and it is his new purpose in life. we actually are finished moving except for the tractor and trusses. the new house is still largely a bunch of boxes and piles of things to be sorted and put up but at least it is all here. goats and ponies are very happy to have lots of room to roam on. a big change compared to 2.3 acres! browse and grass instead of mostly hay and pellets!

the pond. so much fun to walk out the back door and take a hike to our own pond to fish in!

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What an awesome photo - so beautiful, Leah!!

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Happy pony & goat. Looks great! Glad you're able to post pix again.

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A friend of mine tethers her goats to old tire rims filled with concrete when they're outside of their pasture.

It looks like a GREAT place! Congratulations!

Sue

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thank you I am thrilled beyond belief! I was looking at that pic at the bottom thinking what the heck is that little hook thing (I zoomed in as far as I could to get a good pick of the pond from the porch) then finally realized it was blackjacks horns...duh.

I really missed not being able to load pics. as they say "a picture is worth.....

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Finding a place that you love then being able to buy it and move there...

There is nothing better in the world besides Jesus and family !

I have found two places that i wanted more than anything else...and bought both places.

Oh, I'm practically your neighbor ......from (misery) Missouri

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ronie wrote:
......from (misery)

my combo of signs coming down here

"hay, come back here, are you from misery? I have miniture horses for sell at resession prices."

this teasing is brewing some bad karma

I met a new goat friend from missouri. she used to have a dairy! during my first conversation with her she says she was happy to find a goat freind, and that I had moved to the great dairy goat vaccuum and "things are different down here, you'll see. people are just a little less evolved........" those are almost my husbands exact words also when we were talking about moving down here!.

there are some things I have noticed. geez. it seems like EVERYONE smokes!!! my dh has noticed the same thing.

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Hey hay.. it's getting grassy here... yes Misery is my state of residence, but not my state of mind.

I can't stand any tobacco of any kind... I will not eat at a cafe that has no smoke free zones.. and i have noticed that a lot of states south of me allow smoking almost anywhere...

I wish that mini horses were good for something...my neighbor has them and he pays for their care 365 days a year,,,, then once or twice a year he hitches them to a wagon and they pull him down the road and back to his house... hmmm

Now milk and meat goats that is something that i.m interested in..Are they a lot of work?

Do you save money with them or just have fresh food and security for your efforts?

Do you have any chickens ?

dh? is that dear husband?

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Miniature horses are pets like Pekingese and toy poodles -- cute enough, but not good for anything.

Nearly everyone in the state of Washington smokes, too. I wonder if it is a symptom of low self-esteem? Many of the people here don't read anything but the comics, and I'm not sure they're really reading...

Leah, how are you doing? I am hearing a lot on the radio about the fires down your way.

Sue

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