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Perennial buckwheat!

 
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Perennial buckwheat!
https://www.asklepios-seeds.de/gb/fagopyrum-cymosum-samen-baumspinat-wilder-buchweizen.html
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FYI, I have not ordered this plant (yet?) or even from this company, but buckwheat is awesome, and perenial is basically always better, so...
 
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Thanks, I wasn’t aware of this plant.  I would love to acquire some seeds.... but looking for them, I can’t find any in stock anywhere.  Does anyone here have any they would sell?
 
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i may have some, but they’d be at least 7 years old, as i haven’t played with them for a while. i got them from one of the germ plasm banks...i’ll have to dig out the seeds and see what they say.
 
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greg mosser wrote:i may have some, but they’d be at least 7 years old, as i haven’t played with them for a while. i got them from one of the germ plasm banks...i’ll have to dig out the seeds and see what they say.



What was your experience with it Greg? What zone etc too?  If you find the seed and you think it might be viable, I’d play with it!  Thanks.
 
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Yeah, that’s annoying. They’re out of stock.
 
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Not sure if this one is closely related or not, but Baker Creek has a pink flowered buckwheat that they list as perennial:  Rose Red Soba
It's certainly beautiful and as I post this they still have it in stock.
 
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Certainly looks different from Fagopyrum cymosum:
 
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If you look down in the comments on those seeds there's another picture which looks much more like the "normal" type
 
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Greg Martin wrote:Not sure if this one is closely related or not, but Baker Creek has a pink flowered buckwheat that they list as perennial:  Rose Red Soba
It's certainly beautiful and as I post this they still have it in stock.

that’s very interesting too, worth a try for sure, thanks!
 
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first sweep of the seeds didn’t turn’ em up. i’ll look deeper later.

Here’s what i remember: I got two accessions, i think from a german seedbank, labeled as two different species, F. cymosum and F. dibotrys. As far as i know these are generally considered synonyms for the same species. They were very similar in growth, the only noticeable difference being a slight difference in leaf shape. i’m pretty sure that i moved from that spot before i had a chance to learn much about hardiness.
 
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Greg Martin wrote:Not sure if this one is closely related or not, but Baker Creek has a pink flowered buckwheat that they list as perennial:  Rose Red Soba
It's certainly beautiful and as I post this they still have it in stock.



Just WOW! Looks like a must-try.
Haven't seen any listings for availability within the EU yet :(

I'll be avidly following updates from your growing trials!
 
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I have found the perennial buckwheat very invasive when I lived in the French Pyrenees.
 
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Greg Martin wrote:Not sure if this one is closely related or not, but Baker Creek has a pink flowered buckwheat that they list as perennial:  Rose Red Soba
It's certainly beautiful and as I post this they still have it in stock.



Planted a package of that last year in SW MI and got nothing for it. Not a thing. Total disappointment.
 
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found ‘em!

looks like my memory was partly right (one was F. acutatum, not cymosum). seeds are from 2012, from the crop genetics seedbank in gatersleben, germany. i may try to plant some this spring, but if someone wants to trade me something cool for the rest, i will be amenable. i’m suspecting germination may be low after 9 years, and there may not be more than 15-20 of each available, so, caveat emptor. also, do consider what olga said above: they can be quite tenacious, to the point of being invasive. carol deppe mentions the same thing (specifically for F. cymosum, in that case) in breed your own vegetable varieties (pg. 127 if you wanna check it out)
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Greg, what was the name of the seedbank?
 
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the full name is ‘Leibniz Institute of Plant Genetics and Crop Plant Research’...but it gets abbreviated to IPK Gatersleben.
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