"Despite all our accomplishments we owe our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains."
Zone 6, 45 inches precipitation, hard clay soil
Zone 6, 45 inches precipitation, hard clay soil
Zone 6, 45 inches precipitation, hard clay soil
"Despite all our accomplishments we owe our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains."
Larry Versaw wrote:Except I never used manure or compost. I only put in garden Scott’s garden soil. When first planted I did use a spray that added vitamin e to them. But if somehow that is the issue can I fix it or is my garden just junk this year?
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Anne Miller wrote:
Larry Versaw wrote:Except I never used manure or compost. I only put in garden Scott’s garden soil. When first planted I did use a spray that added vitamin e to them. But if somehow that is the issue can I fix it or is my garden just junk this year?
First, I would like to ask what kind of soil do you have and what kind of water do you have? I feel the answers to these questions will help our forum members answer your question.
We had a similar situation with our bell pepper so we quit trying to grow them. We started with good soil though I feel over time it was our water that caused the problem.
Since your pepper plants may or may not be a loss this year, I would like to suggest that you try some experiments to see what happens.
It looks like there may be enough plants that you could try different methods by setting aside areas to try.
Try adding compost tea to some, a good quality organic fertilizer to another area, etc.
Maybe bone meal in another and fish emulsion in another.
Here are some threads that might help:
https://permies.com/t/42212/improving-soil#355090
https://permies.com/t/63914/Soil
Matt McSpadden wrote:Hi Larry,
I would add to what Anne asked about the soil. Can you do a soil test? If I were to take the pepper plants out of the equation and just look at the corn doing great, huge tomato plants with few to no tomatos... that sound like too much nitrogen. Corn loves nitrogen, and it will make huge plants and not much fruit. Too much nitrogen can also make plants more susceptible to diseases, which is what I might suggest happened to the peppers.
Neither Scotts garden soil or 2 year old horse manure should have had very high nitrogen. I'm not sure where it could have come from, but it sounds like a classic case of too much nitrogen. Try doing some research and see if it matches what you are getting.
Larry Versaw wrote:Except I never used manure or compost. I only put in garden Scott’s garden soil. When first planted I did use a spray that added vitamin e to them. But if somehow that is the issue can I fix it or is my garden just junk this year?
Anne Miller said "First, I would like to ask what kind of soil do you have and what kind of water do you have? I feel the answers to these questions will help our forum members answer your question.
Larry wrote: added miracle grow garden soil. I add several bags every year. As for water just the simple water from my tap in back of my house. I have used the same setup for a decade I didn’t do a garden last year to rest the garden space and the previous 2 years were not great but way better than this year and previous to then have had bumper crops each year, Still have many pounds of peppers in freezer from 2018
Invasive plants are Earth's way of insisting we notice her medicines. Stephen Herrod Buhner
Everyone learns what works by learning what doesn't work. Stephen Herrod Buhner
"Despite all our accomplishments we owe our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains."
Larry Versaw wrote:And the weeds are not having any trouble growing either
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S Ydok wrote:Are you in one of the places getting soaked? Could be a factor.
Invasive plants are Earth's way of insisting we notice her medicines. Stephen Herrod Buhner
Everyone learns what works by learning what doesn't work. Stephen Herrod Buhner
"Despite all our accomplishments we owe our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains."
You can see with only one eye open, but you'll probably run into things and stub your toe. The big picture matters.
. This year I put in I think 5 or 6 large bags of Scott’s garden soil. If the underground lines are so that I can I will try to move the garden to another location build up a 6 inch bed and have topsoil brought in. Maybe that would be the way to go next year.Sarah Koster wrote:How much do you trust Scott's garden soil in the first place? I mean.... I wouldn't really trust their soil considering what other products they produce and market. Even feed suppliers like Purina have been known to "accidentally" include ingredients that are poisonous to the animals it's intended for... so I don't really see how something like soil that's even less regulated would be immune to corporate blunders. Like basically everybody already said, it looks like there's herbicide in the soil based on which plants are tolerating it vs failing to thrive. I would bet that the product you purchased just was not up to standard in the first place.
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