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2 pictures of weeds to ID. They are this big in the garden in April, in zone 6 A/B (Southwest Missouri.) I know I have seen them before, I am having issues with my memory, no clue at the moment if I ID'd them before, or even posted them on permies here before. If they are noxious, like ragweed,, I need to get them out soon. If they are something that I planted last year that didn't come up due to horrendous weather problems, like Painted Daisies, I'll protect them. I could use some help on this to figure them out. One of the first plant types has little buds forming. There are more than one of each type, and I didn't taste any of them, due to already having health issues that don't need to possibly taste something like a Painted Daisy.

First pic has my grubby foot for scale, second has henbit for scale.

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Hi Pearl, I see some purple deadnettle in photo #2, there's something else in there too, that I cannot identify.

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Number 2 is one of the buttercups. They have a number of different leaf shapes as they grow up. Don't let it go to seed! Green Deane's article is here.

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Hmmm.... He has updated a lot of articles to include medicinal uses. One reference was to dry up weepy sores.

Maybe I should make a tincture to use on poison ivy. We have to clear some vines out. Again.

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The first photo looks like Korean chrysanthemum greens (maybe Glebionis coronaria?). It may be oxeye daisy (Leucanthemum vulgare) and if that is so, it would be edible for greens.

(As always, don't take my word for it before eating!)

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Joylynn Hardesty wrote:Number 2 is one of the buttercups. They have a number of different leaf shapes at they grow up. Don't let it go to seed! Green Deane's article is here.

I understand that buttercup (or possibly more specifically creeping buttercup here) is toxic/inedible to humans? So use with care and after sufficient research if that is the correct plant id (and I'll add that to the other id I posted above.)

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1 looks like ox-eye daisy
2 is creeping buttercup

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Ah.... buttercups! I did seed a pile of Ranunculus repens, creeping buttercup, last year from that are as I like the flowers, they are up early in spring when the yard is dead, and the bees and other pollinator adore them.
Those I should have recognized, Thank you for providing brain assist for me when I'm foggy!

Oxeye daisy is likely, there is some growing within 200 feet of here. But I also have seeds for an edible leaf chrysanthemum, don't recall if I planted it anytime in the last few years. I KNOW I put out seeds for Painted Daisies last year, looks like they are possible also. Hm.. I'll see what it's blooms look like, there are buds showing.

Thank you all! I'll take pics when I get a bloom on the weird ones, the buttercup is definitely correct.

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Joylynn Hardesty wrote:Hmmm.... He has updated a lot of articles to include medicinal uses. One reference was to dry up weepy sores.

Maybe I should make a tincture to use on poison ivy. We have to clear some vines out. Again.

Joylynn, if you can possibly look into the areas where your poison ivy is investing, you might be able to see some jewelweed - they're growing companions. Jewelweed is a lovely little cure for poison ivy, and the most effective one I know. Collecting enough for an oil infusion could be a bit tricky, if they're mixed, rather than side by side, but you can also simply scrub the fresh jewelweed on, wherever you've been touched by the p.i.

I usually wash with jewelweed soap both before and after exposure, if I know it's coming. But, always after, as soon as I know I've been exposed.

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I don't have an ID for you (looks like you already have your answer anyway), but I do have a handy tool. I've used a phone app called "Seek" by iNaturalist (https://www.inaturalist.org/home) to identify weeds in my yard. The app works by taking a picture. Sometimes it works right away, but sometimes you have to post to the website which will then crowdsource the ID for you within a couple of days.

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Thanks Carla. No jewel weed on my acre. Sigh. But I have also heard dock leaves can be roughed up and the juices applied to help prevent a reaction. Dunno. I've tried it, may have worked once, did not work another time. I have lots of dock.

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Joylynn Hardesty wrote:Thanks Carla. No jewel weed on my acre. Sigh. But I have also heard dock leaves can be roughed up and the juices applied to help prevent a reaction. Dunno. I've tried it, may have worked once, did not work another time. I have lots of dock.

I have lots of dock right now. The geese love to eat it but they have been busy eating dewberries and other things.
If dock works on poison ivy, I may be working up a bunch of it! I have poison ivy and am under threats to Not Go Near It because I needed a cortisone shot last time I was exposed. Nasty stuff.

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That's what dead nettle looks like? Very cool and thank you!

Okay - daisy sp. gotcha. Now to see if I can use that website (THANKS!) to ID the rest of the random stuff.

I'm with Pearl. I used to know what plants were and just ... can't remember right now.

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I have a big clump of weed#5 in my yard too. It's about to bloom. I don't have other types of daisy except ox-eye daisy.

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Elizabeth Horsley wrote:I don't have an ID for you (looks like you already have your answer anyway), but I do have a handy tool. I've used a phone app called "Seek" by iNaturalist (https://www.inaturalist.org/home) to identify weeds in my yard. The app works by taking a picture. Sometimes it works right away, but sometimes you have to post to the website which will then crowdsource the ID for you within a couple of days.

Thanks for the recommendation. I have been using an app called Picture This for a couple of years and really like it too. It has identified a variety of plants in multiple regions of North America relatively accurately and includes a good bit of info about the plant as well. It works via scanning a photo like yours does.

One of the other things I like about it is that it will tell you if the plant if exhibiting a problem (for example, I scanned a serviceberry in a park and it told me that it had black spot or something like that, which I thought was interesting.) The paid version has insect and tree identification as well as other features.

I am going to look at "Seek" because it's so nice to be able to cross reference, especially when considering a plant's edibility.

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Being able to cross check and verify identification of wild plants is Very Important!
I have a plant that I've been calling Water Hemlock for no good reason I can remember, another I thought I had IDed as False Indigo (but might not be), ... Thanks to having some memory issues and not being able to trust my faulty thinking, I'm starting to go out of my way to re-identify EVERYTHING just in case. You never know.

Obvious stuff like dewberries, poison ivy, and Cat's Eye Briar I think are okay, but anything else is good for pictures, samples (maybe), and lots of referencing on the internet and in books.
I'll definitely be using those two sources y'all listed.
Thank you for that!

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I usually get good results with Google lens but I tried on my last picture, it didn't catch it. It's much harder to ID without flowers.

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On #1, I thought oxeye daisy at first too, but some of the leaves are too long--unless those are separate dock plants, I can't tell.

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Mary Cook wrote:On #1, I thought oxeye daisy at first too, but some of the leaves are too long--unless those are separate dock plants, I can't tell.

There is a dock in the bottom part of the picture, by a violet.

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For new gardeners like myself, knowing which plant is a weed and which is something I planted is a lesson I have learned many times, by making mistakes. But it doesn't have to be that way! I just saw a short excerpt of Thomas Elpel's expertise on identifying plants in the a session on the online permaculture design course I really believe that with the right instructor, you can learn plant ID in a very short time. It doesn't seem possible, but I had the experience of learning all the basic Japanese characters (Hiragana) in one hour, because I had the right textbook, so I believe learning fast is possible, with the right resources. But I digress... the youtube video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBcaXnU_yAY

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