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I was browsing the internet and came across What do we mean when we say toxic masculinity?


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Instead of using violence, consider

other traditionally masculine traits such as devotion to work, pride in excelling at sports, and providing for one's family



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity

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I personally reject the phrase "toxic masculinity" entirely.  

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I have a lot more to say, but I'm going to try to not get this post removed as something that should have been in the cider press... :)

The article, in a rather roundabout and confusing way, seems to be trying to say that not all men are toxic. It also seems to be trying to say that it is ok for men to get help. Both of these points should be obvious, but people in many western cultures have become so confused that it needs to be spelled out for some people.  

While the article says differently, most of the culture is using toxic masculinity to mean that masculinity is toxic. That is a complete lie. Being male does not make you toxic. A person is toxic because of their actions and choices; whether you are male or female does not change this.

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Matt McSpadden wrote:...most of the culture is using toxic masculinity to mean that masculinity is toxic.


That hasn't been my experience. It has almost always been used to describe specific behaviors that the speaker thinks are both common among men and antisocial.

ETA: I didn't read the comic strip at the top link at first, but I went in with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised. It was entirely straightforward, correct where presenting facts, and mostly describing the author's experiences of dysfunctional expectations of masculinity.
 
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That hasn't been my experience.



@Christopher,
I'm glad that has not been your experience. "Most of culture..." may be a bit of an exaggeration, but there are huge movements that are teaching hatred of men. If someone is called out for being a terrible person, I have no problem with that. If they are called out simply because they are a man (which is becoming more and more common), I find that just as wrong as if someone was called out over the color of their skin.  

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Matt McSpadden wrote:
there are huge movements that are teaching hatred of men.  



Curiousity has me wondering what movements in particular?


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Hi Judith,
I think that would probably put us well into Cider Press territory :), I'll PM you separately.

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This conversation would be better taking place in the Cider Press. If you want to open it again there, feel free.
 
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