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Chop and drop mistake?

 
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I'm running behind for sure, but I'm going. I probably should have prepared my raised beds 4, maybe 6 weeks ago.
I chopped and dropped all the plants in the bed. I didn't worry about the leaves, but the thick stems I cut about an inch give or take a little. I spread it in a relatively even layer. Then I added some organic alfalfa pellets. Topped with organic compost and organic soil. I was happy with myself because my beds are hugel beet style, so they sink, and usually needs topping off. Chop and drop reduced the soil for this bed by at least half.
Now the reason I'm wondering if it was a mistake. I have lots of veggies seeds and seedlings that need to be planted. The seeds will do fine in the beginning because of the top soil/compost layer, but what happens when the roots, especially root crop veggies hit that chopped layer. The same question for the seedlings.
When I planted in my food forest want-a-be that's covered in wood chips I would pull the wood chips back and fill the hole with soil, and plant in that. Should I do this with the chop and drop?
I was so pleased with the progress. Easier than removing everything to the compost pile. Lots of organic matter, return the nutrients back to the soil. Have to buy and use less bagged soil, which is one of my goals, but one not achieved over night. I was pretty happy until I started thinking about having a layer of undecomposed organic matter. I did add the alfalfa pellets to add nitrogen, but it's still a layer of chunky stuff, not soil.
I'm looking forward to what the smart people of permies have to say. I have other beds that have lots of old plants. should I do something different?  Thanks
 
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I feel the the roots will be fine and the roots will just keep going probably pushing the chopped layer aside.

I hope if you use this method you will report how it turned out.
 
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Jen Fulkerson wrote: The seeds will do fine in the beginning because of the top soil/compost layer, but what happens when the roots, especially root crop veggies hit that chopped layer. The same question for the seedlings.  


My concern would be for the root veggies: a) My understanding is that root crops like carrots will be more inclined to make multiple roots if they hit an obstacle. That said, the carrots will taste just the same!
b) my worry about something like potatoes is that if it's a variety that goes deep (not all do) the fresh organic material there might encourage rot.

However, I wouldn't worry about plants like Kale which would likely just suck up all those goodies. If they don't like that layer, I expect they would spread their roots wider instead of deeper, which may affect their need for water, but not necessarily cause the plant much grief.

I think this is an interesting experiment and I'm very curious to see how it turns out!
 
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I'd suggest that outlook is still good. I think that during the "off season" microbes and bugs will still eat stuff and do their thing, and in particular with that organic matter you buried down there under the other layers. Having it below the surface will likely provide a more hospitable environment for soil-building activity.

We do "Ruth Stout composting" here at WL, and I'd propose that a mass of kitchen scraps will be essentially gone and turned into various bits of organic matter and soil within two months, easy. The only exception seems to be eggshells, woody stems (like walking onions), and maybe avocado rinds.

...And yes! Please report back with your findings!
 
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How deep is the layer of chopped stuff? And, how dense?
 
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Thanks for the positive encouragement.
I'm lousy  at guessing measurements. Maybe 1/2 to an inch of straw that was this summers mulch so it's had months of sun, water and soil critters to start the decomposition process. Then maybe two or three inches of veggie chop and drop. About three inches of bagged organic compost and soil.
The experiment started today. I planted peas in the bed with the chop and drop, and in another bed that really didn't have anything left to chop up. . This bed didn't drop as much as the other. So it got about the same amount of bagged organic compost and soil as the one with the C&D. It will be interesting to see if one does better than the other. It's definitely going to require patience. Planting so late everything will grow slowly. I have even had years where the peas stop growing , and just hang out in the garden for what feels like forever. Then when they are ready start growing and produce like there was never a delay.
I will also be planting broccoli, bok choy, onion, marigolds, and dill seedlings, and carrots, beets, turnip, parsnips, cilantro, lettuce , and radish seeds. We have mild winters dipping down to low thirties, once in a great while high twenties . It's how we get away with growing these plants. I'm grateful because it gets to warm in the spring for most of the plants I'm growing now, and a lot of them are our favorites. If I would have managed to get them started in August we would have gotten a fall crop and a very early spring crop. Unfortunately I just couldn't get my seeds to germinate. Oh well better late than never.
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In that case I wouldn't worry about it.
 
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