reprint of the playing cards

That is the way it is supposed to work... the FBI investigating all reported copyright infringements.

A few years ago, I purchased a used vehicle from an individual. There was odometer fraud glaringly obvious, or else negligence on the part of the seller and the financial institution that had held the title on the car. The seller was a banker. The owner before that was a business owner. All individuals with plenty of experience with how financial transactions work.

I went to the sheriff who confirmed the existence of the fraud. I called the DA. I called the state agency responsible for the investigation of odometer fraud. It all went round and round.

In the end, the DA said yes it is against the law, but that's not the kind of crime we investigate. We don't even HAVE investigators, we utilize the sheriff's deputies. It is a crime we are not interested in.

I'm just thinking that "small time" copyright infringement is a crime the FBI is not interested in.

Getting off topic here, but it seems like an application of the "broken windows" theory of crime might be of use to these agencies that are not interested in non-sensational crime. I learned of the broken windows theory through Malcolm Gladwell's book "The Tipping Point". A good read for anyone trying to understand social interactions, and trying to live in community. A one line summary would be: "When you take care of the small crimes, the big ones don't happen". The Tipping Point includes many other reflections on human behavior, and I'd make it required reading with a competency test and demonstration of comprehension for people to become fully franchised adults (like buying a car, like getting a drivers license, like having a bank account and a job, like requiring 2 years of civil service in order to vote and or have a passport), if I ran the zoo.

Thekla

We represented someone in an odometer fraud case. Also tax fraud, embezzlement and more drug actions than you can shake a stick at. The fact is the system is overwhelmed. There is a lot of crime going on. So it is a bit of a pick and choose on what is investigated and what isn't.

So while copyright infringement can leave someone open for criminal investigation, the most effective way to deal with this would be through civil litigation. I find scaring the pants off people tends to make them pay up or stop doing what they are doing.

Thelka you probably could have gone after them civilly for your money back if you'd been defrauded. Civil litigation is more of a pain to the person bringing it but it can be a powerful lesson to the person in the wrong.

Thekla McDaniels wrote:That is the way it is supposed to work... the FBI investigating all reported copyright infringements.

A few years ago, I purchased a used vehicle from an individual. There was odometer fraud glaringly obvious, or else negligence on the part of the seller and the financial institution that had held the title on the car. The seller was a banker. The owner before that was a business owner. All individuals with plenty of experience with how financial transactions work.

I went to the sheriff who confirmed the existence of the fraud. I called the DA. I called the state agency responsible for the investigation of odometer fraud. It all went round and round.

In the end, the DA said yes it is against the law, but that's not the kind of crime we investigate. We don't even HAVE investigators, we utilize the sheriff's deputies. It is a crime we are not interested in.

I'm just thinking that "small time" copyright infringement is a crime the FBI is not interested in.

Getting off topic here, but it seems like an application of the "broken windows" theory of crime might be of use to these agencies that are not interested in non-sensational crime. I learned of the broken windows theory through Malcolm Gladwell's book "The Tipping Point". A good read for anyone trying to understand social interactions, and trying to live in community. A one line summary would be: "When you take care of the small crimes, the big ones don't happen". The Tipping Point includes many other reflections on human behavior, and I'd make it required reading with a competency test and demonstration of comprehension for people to become fully franchised adults (like buying a car, like getting a drivers license, like having a bank account and a job, like requiring 2 years of civil service in order to vote and or have a passport), if I ran the zoo.

Thekla

I'm fairly new here and as I was reading through a couple of thoughts struck me.

1) There are permie playing cards? Where's the link?!

2) Someone mentioned about getting the word out about permaculture. I'm a Master Gardener - there are MG groups all over the place in the USA. Probably a group for each county. They are ALWAYS looking for guest speakers. If someone is willing to volunteer for an hour or two to talk. Include a fun game towards the end using the cards, then have them for purchase at $5 or so. Word would spread. They don't teach permaculture - it would be a great addition.

paul wheaton wrote:

Bryan Matthews wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:The challenging part is the shipping. I think I have optimized the shipping part. So, as odd as it sounds, we would offer price breaks at 4 bricks and 9 bricks.

Would you be interested in having a European Printer supplier for your card decks? This would save transport money/co2. Prices can stay the same because of all products sold here from the USA normally have import/export taxes.

I would be open to this. I thought Maddy might do it, but she seems uninterested.

In that case if the time arrives, email/purple me. Whatever you prefer regarding this matter.

Make me an offer that i can't refuse will love! My email is paul at richsoil.com.

Have sent my offer, awaiting your reply.

Lisa Russell wrote:I'm fairly new here and as I was reading through a couple of thoughts struck me.

1) There are permie playing cards? Where's the link?!

At the bottom of all my posts:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00GOIXT3M/rs12-20

Now is the time to go through each card with a fine tooth comb and make suggestions for changes. There have been a few tiny changes that alexander and I have already done. Stuff that the rest of you probably have not noticed. I hope to have all of the changes done in one week.

I have heard that the bill mollison card has errors, so I would like to get feedback on what would be good stuff to say for that card.

Any others? I think it is possible that the alan savory card and the greywater card could use some polish. Thoughts?

I emailed willie smits to see if he wants any changes.

And then there is the bonus card that says "permies keen on world domination". If you want to have your name (or a business name, or the name of somebody else (like "in memory of")) listed there, you MUST send me $300 RIGHT NOW! We have to get that card modified within the next few days. Make sure your paypal payment mentions how you want the name to appear. You are welcome to exercise your idea of comedy. People with 10 or more permies.com apples can take a $100 discount.

There are 26 cards that have a name hidden in the cards. I am willing to take up to 26 more names. This is $500 per name. (people with 10 or more permies.com apples can take a $100 discount) It must be a card that does not currently have a name. Alexander will very artfully hide your name on the card. The idea is that people that are not looking for the name won't see the name. But people that are looking for the name will see the name.


Cards that already have a name on them are:

ace of hearts
four of spades
ace of clubs
five of spades
seven of hearts
nine of hearts
two of hearts
ace of spades
queen of clubs
four of clubs
six of clubs
eight of clubs
ace of diamonds
nine of diamonds
queen of diamonds
three of diamonds
eight of spades
nine of spades
joker
joker
three of hearts
six of diamonds
king of spades
three of spades
queen of spades


I am currently planning on getting 10,000 printed. And selling them on amazon for $9.95. Once everything has been sent to the printer, I will have a 48 hour window where people can buy a brick (12 decks) for the low price mentioned earlier. I'll announce this on the dailyish. So this will be a thing where we will not use kickstarter (I feel like it is not appropriate to use kickstarter until I have fulfilled the stuff from the last kickstarter).

If you want to have your name listed on the "permies keen on world domination" card, or have your name hidden in a card, then please send funds RIGHT NOW via paypal to paul at richsoil.com. Make sure you include a note that specifies how you want the name to appear.

Timeline: get cards to printer by thursday. Cards arrive about 45 days later - so, november 10 or so. We spend a week shipping them out, they should arrive to everybody by thanksgiving. That is the happy path - where everything works well. We'll see how it goes.

Paul,

What about those unfortunate souls who do not live in the US? What will be the shipping cost?

Can someone give me some apples! Hahaha!
Just kidding, I can't part with $100 right now anyways.

Lukasz Lakomy wrote:Paul,

What about those unfortunate souls who do not live in the US? What will be the shipping cost?

To have your name put into the cards, there is no shipping.

I just went and looked at the USPS flat rate boxes to ship outside the us. A "medium" box that holds one brick, is $66.25 - and I gotta fill out a fucking customs form for each box.

What about the souls that would like just 4 decks of cards rather than 12 decks? I was going to buy 1 deck, but since you want to sell them at a dozen, I'd like a third of a dozen. Can you sell them in packs of 4?

Jan Cooper wrote:What about the souls that would like just 4 decks of cards rather than 12 decks? I was going to buy 1 deck, but since you want to sell them at a dozen, I'd like a third of a dozen. Can you sell them in packs of 4?

Of course there are all sorts of things I can do. The key is that I want to keep my offer pretty simple. And the real focus is on the brick (12 decks). Because the cards are really designed to be given away.

So a person could order them from amazon for $9.95 and probably get free shipping if they do their order the right way. Or, they can order them from me for $10 per deck plus $10 shipping. So it is all covered.

I am thinking that once the print order is in then I will do something where people will be able to order cards or the first 48 hours for a super sweet price. The idea is that this is a gift for the people that are signed up on the dailyish email and actually open them regularly.

paul wheaton wrote:
There are 26 cards that have a name hidden in the cards. I am willing to take up to 26 more names. This is $500 per name. (people with 10 or more permies.com apples can take a $100 discount) It must be a card that does not currently have a name. Alexander will very artfully hide your name on the card. The idea is that people that are not looking for the name won't see the name. But people that are looking for the name will see the name.

Here's an example of one hidden name in a card, plus an example of the lovely art done by Alexander, from Paul's post about his Aunt, life as art:


It is a fitting tribute, me thinks.

I just got off the phone with cassie and alexander. Alexander put a lot of tiny changes in.

Anybody else have any thoughts on anything on the cards that needs a change?

Now is the last call to have your name put on the cards!

paul wheaton wrote:
Plus, I think the kickstarter is designed for holiday shopping: get a dozen as gifts for the holidays and a few left over for bits and bobs the following year.

So I bought my brick through the first Kickstarter campaign but thought I'd still leave a 5 star review on Amazon
Mentioned it was a great idea to buy multiples for easy Christmas gifts.

paul wheaton wrote: Anybody else have any thoughts on anything on the cards that needs a change?

Hi Paul... I bought a brick last time and gave them out to family for Christmas presents etc. A common comment was that the outer package (the yellow card box) was not easy to read and they didn't really know what the cards were from the outside package. I would suggest redesigning the outside packaging from a marketing perspective... design something that will catch someone's eye on a shelf at a bookstore or gift shop. The yellow wasn't ideal in my opinion.

Glad to see this second release!

Tall Paul

I'm being asked when people can expect the cards.

I think I can get them all out in a few days after receiving them.

As for when might I receive them ....

I thought ordering the cards would take two hours. Instead, it took two weeks.

When I first contacted them, they said I would receive the cards in early november. But I would not be surprised if they tack two weeks onto that. Since I am doing business with a new entity - I'm worried that they will take my money and I will never hear from them again.

So - we wait.

The printer is saying that the cards might be here as early as November 12.

BTW: You can still pre-order bricks here: http://richsoil.com/cards.jsp#preorder The price per brick will go up once the boxes arrive.

Interested to know the shipper being used to send cards to Canada?

Usps

Paul,

I'm thinking of ordering few bricks to the UK. Shipping is crazy, then there will be VAT on top

Is it possible to resell them afterwards? I'm thinking of maybe becoming "UK/EU distributor" of those cards. But to do that I need to know whether you are selling them in bulk to someone in Europe for the same purpose. I don't want to invest $$$ and then go into undercutting war with someone.

Lukasz Lakomy wrote:Paul,

I'm thinking of ordering few bricks to the UK. Shipping is crazy, then there will be VAT on top

Is it possible to resell them afterwards? I'm thinking of maybe becoming "UK/EU distributor" of those cards. But to do that I need to know whether you are selling them in bulk to someone in Europe for the same purpose. I don't want to invest $$$ and then go into undercutting war with someone.

I currently don't know of anybody trying to sell them in europe.

Will it be possible to get some sort of exclusivity for the UK or EU? I'm planning to buy 9 bricks...

Lukasz Lakomy wrote:Will it be possible to get some sort of exclusivity for the UK or EU? I'm planning to buy 9 bricks...

I can't get exclusivity on amazon in the US. So I don't see how I can offer it anywhere else?

Currently, the printer that I hired for the first edition is printing up their own copies without permission and selling the cards for less.

Further, other people are buying lots of bricks and I have no idea where they intend to sell them, or if their intent is to sell.

Fair enough, thanks

Wow, this printer is a naughty character

Thanks USPS is my favourite way to receive shipments from U.S.

Very exciting that this may be the day of arrival. Hope to to be playing soon.

paul wheaton wrote:The printer is saying that the cards might be here as early as November 12.

BTW: You can still pre-order bricks here: http://richsoil.com/cards.jsp#preorder The price per brick will go up once the boxes arrive.

The printer is now saying that they will "probably" ship tomorrow. This is shipping to me - not shipping to you all.

paul wheaton wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:The printer is saying that the cards might be here as early as November 12.

BTW: You can still pre-order bricks here: http://richsoil.com/cards.jsp#preorder The price per brick will go up once the boxes arrive.

The printer is now saying that they will "probably" ship tomorrow. This is shipping to me - not shipping to you all.

When I ordered the cards I said I would only order if the cards would arrive in early november. To me, that means between november 1 and 5.

Is it just me, or do ALL printers do this? Where the dates slip and slip and slip and slip ....

This morning I am told that the cards are with FedEx Freight and "should" be here on tuesday, november 24.

I am still taking brick orders at http://richsoil.com/cards.jsp#preorder

Once the cards arrive, I will change that section from "preorder" to "brick order" and the price will go up $10 per brick.

paul wheaton wrote:
Is it just me, or do ALL printers do this? Where the dates slip and slip and slip and slip ....

No one industry has a lock on poor business practice. I believe it's becoming an epidemic...

The cards have arrived.

We are now scrambling to put cards in boxes and get them out of here.

I decided to add something to the page for a "half brick" (6 decks of cards) for $42. I did this while I was updating the page to change from "pre-order" to "quantity order".
I added it at about noon yesterday and I didn't tell anybody or point it out in any way. Already, six people have ordered that.

So, I guess I am now pointing it out! http://richsoil.com/cards.jsp#preorder

We heard last night that somebody received their cards .... anybody else?

Apparently, the cards should arrive at amazon today.

I am pretty sure (but not absolutely certain) that the cards at my listing right now, are sold by "the bad guys".

The cards are now at amazon.

Paul,

Great news with Amazon. Unfortunately atm Amazon UK still shows prices 30-40 GBP.

I've contributed to you latest Kickstarter (15VIDEOS level) and will be expecting bunch of DVDs coming. Would it be possible to put a deck of cards in the parcel to save on shipping?

Check out amazon.com and look into shipping to the uk.


As for adding stuff to the package: we are currently looking into handing the materials and spreadsheets over to a third party to get everything sent.

Here are the cards at amazon. I hope y'all leave a review:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN/B00GOIXT3M/rs12-20

Thanks for the previous tip. I've purchased one deck. Did not know Amazon does this global shipping programme, turn out to be reasonably priced. Looking forward to get them and will leave review afterwards.

Are folks getting their cards? Are they everything you hoped and dreamed?

I am being told "ask your supporters to review the cards on amazon." I asked above and that seems to have led to one review. Anybody else?


The only two star review says:

Too stiff to use as cards, printing too small to enjoy reading. Waste of money.

Which is baffling to me. Is it possible he is confusing these cards with something else?

We played poker last night and I cannot tell the difference between these cards and any other playing cards I have used.

Yes, the print is small - but I can read the cards without my cheaters.