Premise 1. Permaculture is correct.
Premise 2. If a principle is correct, then people who have money ought to give it to the teachers of that principle.
Premise 3. I'm a teacher of permaculture.
Conclusion. Therefore, people who have money ought to give it to me.
There is growing pressure on architects, engineers, lawyers, managers and other design-oriented professionals to act and decide on the basis of a systematic body of evidence. .
charlotte anthony wrote:hmm, a lot of comments regarding this particular individual and few comments what this means to permaculture.
as i said i have worked in the commons -- doing things that serve the greater good most of my life. i quit doing paid work for the establishment 35 years ago mainly because the stupidity that i saw in the work place was intolerable to me. also to put my money (or lack of it) where my mouth way.
one thing i might be hearing from all of your comments is that if people do not get my contribution and hence pay me for what i am doing, then it is not a worthy contribution. it is possible that that my watershed work is not of value, it may be that benjamin's wilding work is not valuable, or his PDC's are not valuable. More likely it points out (once again) the inadequacies of our political and economic system. Colleges and universities have the niche for education in our system. meanwhile the corporate folks have figured out that all they have to do is finance what they want in these areas and they control most of us. there are some alternative colleges and some colleges and universities are now teaching permaculture. i would recommend that Benjamin go down this path. There is now an extensive gift economy and again i would suggest this to Benjamin.
i believe strongly in doing what you love and the money will follow. We all have a tremendous number of gifts where we can serve the earth and each other. I for one cannot tie up my energy serving the corporate world. (I would say when i was working in those worlds, i gave up 90% of my energy) Benjamin seems to be saying that doing what he loves the money is not folowing.
Do any of all of you great permies out there see a way for him to continue to serve the earth and its people and get enough money to live on.
charlotte anthony wrote:
Recently, I have been talking with CA farm link about 0% interest loans. I would like to set up a program where we fund, design and install micro-aquaponic systems in backyards that will be able to effectively pay back the loan and then make a lasting income for each individual. This would also benefit: installers, designers, entrepreneurs, local food movement etc. This would represent solid work for a permaculture designer to do a site assessment, design and install a system, and it would be funded. The trick is, I think, to make sure that there is proper training, education, food handling license etc. for each aquaponic system manager. With the CA Homemade Food Act passing a couple of years ago, the creation of value-added food products from home for sale has been legalized.
Zach Muller wrote:If permaculture is a design science then wouldnt it make sense that its treatment and structure be similare to other sciences? "Yes"
George Hayduke wrote:Time for some tough love.
George Hayduke wrote:You're basically complaining that society fails to provide you compensation for something you value. Your solution isn't to hope society comes around to your way of thinking. Your solution is to sell something people want.
charlotte anthony wrote:this is quoted from george above: sorry i have not figured out how to work the quote function: