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Tyler Ludens wrote:I'm wondering about a linen or other plant fiber quilted garment with oilcloth or waxed cloth as the outer layer. There are various wax-producing plants. Cattail fluff or cotton could be the insulating layer between fabric layers.
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Another issue if hard core is where does the dye that colors the fabric come from? Many have animal or insect bases.
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"You must be the change you want to see in the world." "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi
"Preach the Gospel always, and if necessary, use words." --Francis of Assisi.
"Family farms work when the whole family works the farm." -- Adam Klaus
R Scott wrote:Look for people that make clothes for reinactors. They have the skills for working with the fabrics in question and one should be able to work with her for sourcing materials.
R Ranson wrote:.... The thing is, I don't really know what a real winter is like. There are places where you have to stay inside because it's so cold. ....
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She's starting to realize that to meet her goals she will have to start making her own clothing, which is a bit of a downer because she won't be able to transform her wardrobe in the 6 months she had set for herself. We're looking at closer to two years here, which makes it difficult to maintain momentum.
One thought was that maybe there was a market for this kind of clothing? If the quality matched the price, I think there would be interest in plant-based, nonsynthetic, eco-friendly, non-slave labour, natural clothing. It would probably have a fairly high price tag, but I think if the quality was good, and it matched the values of people like my friend here, I think it would be very popular.
"Also, just as you want men to do to you, do the same way to them" (Luke 6:31)
R Ranson wrote:
One thought was that maybe there was a market for this kind of clothing? If the quality matched the price, I think there would be interest in plant-based, nonsynthetic, eco-friendly, non-slave labour, natural clothing. It would probably have a fairly high price tag, but I think if the quality was good, and it matched the values of people like my friend here, I think it would be very popular.
Becky Proske wrote:....
A long fleece skirt over leggings with tall boots and leg warmers has been my favorite way to layering in winter. This will also include a pair of jeans or insulated pants when I need to go outside for a short time in below zero weather. I find this sort of layering to be the most comfortable (I do include wool). A large square cotton scarf has also been a favorite to have on hand when indoors. I second the suggestion of keeping the head covered, even indoors. It will help hold the heat in. I am hardly without a loose fitting knit hat on my head during the winter, (even when I sleep). I also like using arm warmers because I suffer from poor circulation.
A good way to stay warm is with movement. Choose garments in sizes that allow for flexibility when layering.
I've been searching for winter footwear that aligns more with my values. This lead to an interest in what indigenous people of the north have traditionally used and I discovered the mukluk. They are typically made with leather and/or fur, but maybe a vegan-friendly version could be created by hand if one is ambitious enough. The key idea again is to allow for natural flex and movement of the foot to help keep the toes warm with allowance for layers. This goes for the fingers as well. I find it far better to wear mittens verses gloves. But when it gets really cold I will layer mittens over gloves.
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K Putnam wrote:
So, how do you get loft from a vegan product? Some kind of vegan insulation?
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Jessie Twinn wrote:
I wondered where gleaned animal products that don't harm or even involve animals working for people would fit. Feathers are shed by birds and would make for a warm jacket lining. If they are picked up whenever they are found would that push the boundaries too much?
Jessie Twinn wrote:An interesting thread!
I wondered where gleaned animal products that don't harm or even involve animals working for people would fit. Feathers are shed by birds and would make for a warm jacket lining. If they are picked up whenever they are found would that push the boundaries too much? ....
"Also, just as you want men to do to you, do the same way to them" (Luke 6:31)
Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:
Jessie Twinn wrote:An interesting thread!
I wondered where gleaned animal products that don't harm or even involve animals working for people would fit. Feathers are shed by birds and would make for a warm jacket lining. If they are picked up whenever they are found would that push the boundaries too much? ....
Sorry Jessie, but the insulating 'down' is not the same as ordinary 'feathers'. It's only the 'undercoat' of certain birds (some ducks and geese). The down has to be plucked from the bird, it doesn't just fall off. In some northern regions down is gathered (stolen) from ducks' nests. Most down is from killed birds. So this is not at all 'vegan', nor 'vegetarian'.
S Tonin wrote:I'll admit, I haven't done any research at all on this (past a cursory google search) before suggesting it, but what about the fabric made from pressed Tinder Polypore/ Fomes fomentarius mushroom? I know it can be used to make hats and bags, but I don't know how durable, warm, or water-resistant it is. Seems like it could be a good substitute for wool felt or suede leather. (Sorry for the lack of any meaningful information; I have no first-hand experience to share.)
"Also, just as you want men to do to you, do the same way to them" (Luke 6:31)
Cold is where I grew up, 7.5 foot frost line, (permafrost is 9 to 10) and -40 common for winters (both scales agree there) and -200f windchill (it can happen and you don't know cold until it's -40 to -45f and wind of 40-50 mph). In that situation it was multilayers, wool, silk at the skin, goose down, and canvas parka surface with waterproofing; what we called snow-boots (snowmobile boots with felt liners), wool socks, your face is covered, you have eyes covered, and you have two layers of gloves, silk inner and wool or shearling lined leather on the outside.
I wrestled with reality for 36 years, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
Lori Ziemba wrote:
Cold is where I grew up, 7.5 foot frost line, (permafrost is 9 to 10) and -40 common for winters (both scales agree there) and -200f windchill (it can happen and you don't know cold until it's -40 to -45f and wind of 40-50 mph). In that situation it was multilayers, wool, silk at the skin, goose down, and canvas parka surface with waterproofing; what we called snow-boots (snowmobile boots with felt liners), wool socks, your face is covered, you have eyes covered, and you have two layers of gloves, silk inner and wool or shearling lined leather on the outside.
Where did you grow up? Mars
The winter after the snowball fight in mid summer, we got the settler blizzard (look at the ones Laura Ingalls Wilder writes about) of 3 1/2 days of horizontal white, highs of -35f and Dad had to put some big nail spikes in the roof, tie off to them with a rope and shovel the snow off a 60 degree roof every 8-12 hours or the rafters would collapse.
Wool has great loft, whether it be sheep, goat, angora rabbit, even your dogshed if you have one of the ones that produces a thick long coat (it has to be spun with something else). The animal doesn't have to lose it's life to produce, but it is still having to take the fiber from the animal to work with.
I wrestled with reality for 36 years, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
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